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Post by KB8 on Apr 26, 2019 17:10:07 GMT -5
Very psyched that Rey/Eddie made the top 30. Phenomenal little match and not even their best together (how someone/I never nominated the fucking Smackdown match from '05 is deplorable).
It's been over a decade since I watched the '93 Tag League final, 6/9/95 and 6/3/94. I get the sense I'd like the '93 match best at this point. Or at least best of all the tags. I sort of knew it wouldn't finish ahead of the '96 final, but I wanted it to if for no reason other than the fact the '93 match was always my personal favourite.
Andre/Hansen is off the charts great, obviously. Would've been floating around my top 10.
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Post by kas on Apr 26, 2019 17:30:21 GMT -5
Predictions for number 1? I'm gonna say it's either 6/9/1995 or '96 RWTL Final.
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Post by nintendologic on Apr 26, 2019 17:36:14 GMT -5
There were quite a few unfortunate omissions in the nomination process, truth be told. I plan on going on a nominating spree this weekend.
My feeling is that #1 will almost certainly be either 6/9/95, Clash 6, or Hokuto/Kandori, with MS-1/Sangre Chicana as a dark horse candidate.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 26, 2019 18:04:35 GMT -5
I would say "cherrypicking" would be a generous way to describe my engagement with modern AJPW, but I absolutely loved Miyahraa vs Ishikawa from the 45th anniversary show in 2017. Their series is tremendous. Kento falls into a bit of the same traps that some of the NJPW guys fall into, but he's an incredible big match worker. And Ishikawa is easily the best big man wrestler not named WALTER.
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Post by nintendologic on Apr 26, 2019 18:18:28 GMT -5
I actually think Miyahara is more problematic than any of the NJPW stars. His Blackout spam is worse than Omega's V-Trigger spam, and the no-selling during his comebacks is really egregious. Regardless, Miyahara/Ishikawa is a must-see because Ishikawa is the man.
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Post by kas on Apr 26, 2019 18:20:47 GMT -5
I actually think Miyahara is more problematic than any of the NJPW stars. His Blackout spam is worse than Omega's V-Trigger spam, and the no-selling during his comebacks is really egregious. Regardless, Miyahara/Ishikawa is a must-see because Ishikawa is the man. I feel like that's been happening since the start of this year, because it didn't seem that bad before. His leg selling annoyed me but that's about the extent of my major complaints with him.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 26, 2019 18:38:15 GMT -5
The Queendom Tag should have been higher.
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Post by tetsujin on Apr 26, 2019 18:48:09 GMT -5
#1's gonna be 9/6/95. Rest of the top 5 will be Misawa/Kawada 94, Misawa/Kobashi 97, Chicana/MS1 and Clash VI (no particular order). That's my prediction.
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Post by microstatistics on Apr 26, 2019 18:48:52 GMT -5
The Queendom Tag should have been higher. Agreed but I'd consider Top 25 a win.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 26, 2019 21:08:47 GMT -5
I actually think Miyahara is more problematic than any of the NJPW stars. His Blackout spam is worse than Omega's V-Trigger spam, and the no-selling during his comebacks is really egregious. Regardless, Miyahara/Ishikawa is a must-see because Ishikawa is the man. I feel like that's been happening since the start of this year, because it didn't seem that bad before. His leg selling annoyed me but that's about the extent of my major complaints with him. Yeah, I feel like this year in particular he's become more of a GMSI worker. And although his leg selling has always been a problem, his comebacks seem even more superhuman as of late. Still, at his best he's pretty tremendous.
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Post by elliott on Apr 26, 2019 21:19:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the modern AJPW recs. I look forward to checking it out. There are quite a few folks I've never seen before so that is always fun.
Agreed on Queendom. It boggles the mind that it isn't rated closer to the best of the 90s AJPW.
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Post by shodate on Apr 26, 2019 22:15:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the modern AJPW recs. I look forward to checking it out. There are quite a few folks I've never seen before so that is always fun. Agreed on Queendom. It boggles the mind that it isn't rated closer to the best of the 90s AJPW. Not trying to be an asshole but this was what I thought of the match. Biggest disappointment. www.tapatalk.com/groups/wrestling_ko/what-are-you-watching-all-time-t2299-s20.html#p49420This went way too long and as a result there were plenty of dull, time killing restholds poorly disguised as submission attempts. That's a shame because these four had a pretty great 15 minute match in them. Looking at individual performances, I've never understood why joshi superfans think so highly of Nakano. Her offense in this match was dated, especially compared to her tag partner. During a heated, scrappy encounter, I'm not sure why she thought the delayed rope assisted DDT on a fresh Kandori was a good idea. Also, after Hokuto ate numerous piledrivers from Kong, Bull decided to follow up with... restholds. Speaking of Hokuto, I think at this point it's laughable if anyone thinks she's an all-time great. She certainly wasn't bad and I liked a bunch of her high angle bombs, but she didn't put much effort into selling, blew a couple spots (top rope sunset flip, rushing Kong with a feeble, poorly timed backfist/slap) and forced her far bigger opponent to sell her Edge leg lariat. Even Kandori didn't look great here. Most of her submission holds lacked excitement and I'm not sure what was up with that business exposing 'run up very long ramp with hand on Nakano's head' spot. Kandori's punch combo in the corner was at least awesome. Kong was clearly the best worker here and, at least when she wasn't applying restholds, looked top 10 in the world. She added some unpredictability to the match by almost KO-ing Kandori with a brutal, out of nowhere kick to the jaw. All of her bombs looked great and I thought she did a fantastic job selling Kandori's sleeper near the end. Kong escaping and delivering a backfist to Hokuto while still light headed was a cool moment that you tend to only see from the true greats. Three stars at best.
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Post by elliott on Apr 26, 2019 22:31:38 GMT -5
I disagree with every point.
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Post by KB8 on Apr 27, 2019 3:49:49 GMT -5
I watched the Queendom tag in the run up to the PWO GWE deadline when I went on an unexpected late joshi kick long after I figured I'd settled on where I was going to rank the joshi candidates. Kandori/Hokuto had never really resonated with me like it does most folks, but the Queendom tag was one of those heralded joshi matches that I'd never seen and I was fully on the Kandori hype train by the end of the GWE project anyway. I wound up liking it way more than I figured I would and I really dug the interactions between Kandori/Hokuto. It was "storytelling" that felt organic and wasn't totally in your face, and that moment where Kandori tags herself in by patting Hokuto on the shoulder rather than slapping her clean in the face was such a great little moment. The way they obviously came to the conclusion that they'd need to work together or they'd get crushed by the behemoths was a cool running thread and that final acknowledgment of respect easily could've come off hokey, but it really didn't. Matches that go super long often struggle to hold my interest at this point so I would've been fine with a decent chunk of time shaved off, but then I guess they needed all that time to tell the story they set out to? I wouldn't have ranked it, but I absolutely see the appeal and if you're into joshi in general I totally get it as something on the level of your 6/9/95s of the world.
I also forgot to say this last night but man is Shawn/Mankind landing just outside the top 20 awesome. I knew Micro would have it high and top 3 rules. It would've had an extra 90+ points as well if I'd bothered my arse to get a ballot sent through in time.
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Post by Cap on Apr 27, 2019 7:13:04 GMT -5
I am really enjoying seeing the predictions.
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