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Post by jr on Jan 4, 2018 19:00:13 GMT -5
This seems like something Elliott would have already nominated, so forgive me if I missed it and just roll my comment in to the thread. People talk about how the Chicana/MS1 match is like a fight scene from a movie. This match is like a fight from outside a bad after last call. There is something terrifyingly realistic about this as a brawl. It's sloppy in the right ways and feels uncooperative. If you value the brawling style, I'd put this match up with any great lucha or Memphis match.
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Post by Cap on Jan 4, 2018 21:32:26 GMT -5
SECOND!
Fuck yes. How did I miss nominating this? I love this match so much. It really is a brutal, ugly, scary fight. These are two of my absolute favorites and they delivered big time here. I cosign the notion from JR that this feels uncooperative, but in a good way. This one has a real real good chance of making my list and i could see it sneaking up a bit.
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Post by elliott on Jan 4, 2018 23:11:18 GMT -5
Oh third.
I don't know how this slipped through the cracks. Easy nomination. Maybe the best wrestler ever against maybe the best wrestler ever.
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Post by microstatistics on Jan 5, 2018 1:58:19 GMT -5
The best pure brawl of all time. One of the big reasons is that it is so different, completely rejecting the standard structure and themes of 2/3 Lucha brawls and 80s US bloodbaths. Felt like an incredibly gritty yet strategic fight and where they are trying to claw and maim each other but remain somewhat cerebral in their approach even as the intensity ramps up. Dirty tricks and psychological tactics. Includes the best punches ever thrown in wrestling, out of this world great selling from Satanico and the best use of a non-finish ever.
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Post by Cap on Jan 5, 2018 8:21:20 GMT -5
Maybe it is because I just commented on Black Terry vs Wotan, but I would be interested in comparing the two matches, particularly since both are no-finishes.
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Post by stunninggrover on Apr 19, 2018 18:51:09 GMT -5
Fifth!
1989-05-26 Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (EMLL)
Satanico contra Sangre Chicana. Two of the all-time great luchadores. Sangre Chicana won the first fall by submission. Satanico won the second fall by submission. The third fall was great. This was a unique and memorable fight. It was basically a brawl from start to finish, with a few wrestling moves thrown in there. They brawled all over the arena. The crowd left their seats to watch the action up close. It had a bit of a realistic feel to it (for lucha standards), which was cool. It felt like a very unconventional match. Sangre Chicana keeps amazing me. What a great pro wrestler he was. Satanico was great too, of course. They kept brawling on the outside and the referee decided to end the fight (I guess they were ultimately counted out). No contest. Great match!
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Post by wrestlingfan on Jan 27, 2019 1:28:52 GMT -5
Disappointing seeing as the two wrestlers involved. It's not a good match, there's nothing really interesting. It's slightly better when Satanico is on offense but it's not exceptionnal either. **
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Post by Cap on Sept 7, 2019 9:47:00 GMT -5
I just rewatched this and its funny that I mentioned this compared to the Black Terry/Wotan match over a year ago. As I was watching this I thought about how much this resembles a an actual fight in its pacing and in the tentativeness each guy shows before swinging at times. Its clunky and grungy in a way that makes it so unique. Honestly those are the only two matches I know that really have that feel and they are both awesome. Ultimately this is still going to remain on the outside looking in for me. It could have picked the pace up just a touch in a few more places and it might be top half of my list. Its still a phenomenal brawl in my mind, completely different and completely unique.
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Post by makaiclub on Nov 19, 2020 16:03:10 GMT -5
What a match. Nothing much else in Lucha compares to this because it’s that uniquely structured and paced. This builds and builds so much hate and animosity in a cerebral way. The match starts with the two locking up, starting out like a traditional lucha match before Chicana fires off the first shot to set things in motion, headbutting Satanico in the eye after being pushed into the corner. And we are off from there. Chicana is the master at brawling so he controls the match but Satanico stands his ground, trying to gouge out Chicana’s eyes and get in a few punches. They maul each other with punches but not in a mindless way. Each shot is thrown carefully and with malice intent. I definitely agree with the consensus that this felt real and gritty. Satanico’s selling was outstanding. Chicana’s throwing hard potatoes and he sells every hit like he is close to being KO’d. I loved how he had to cover up too. A lot of times in wrestling, there isn't a lot of thought put into defensive wrestling or blocking punches or strikes but Satanico covers up and tries to retaliate as best as he could. And the brawling in the crowd is up there for one of the best crowd brawls ever. They make great use of the environment, expanding on their strategic punch exchanges in the process. The crowd throwing shit at Satanico while he’s throwing Chicana into a sea of people and stomping his head into the hard floors is the absolute best. The ref has lost total control and the match can only end in a no contest as these two fight endlessly in the stands, and it might just be the only result that would’ve worked for this type of match. An all time brawl. *****
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Post by cactus on Nov 19, 2021 5:37:04 GMT -5
This was a good lesson on how to brawl, but I didn't find this particularly great. The finish blows and there's too much downtime for a fairly short match. After they reach a stalemate when they try to actually wrestle, Chicana headbutts Satanico and the brawling begins. The final fall felt like they were building to something much greater than a countout draw. I'm starting to think lucha brawls aren't for me. ★★★¼
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Post by KB8 on Jun 21, 2023 16:35:35 GMT -5
How fucking good are these two? Look, I grew up in a pretty rough part of central Scotland, in a town that has more pubs than houses. Well maybe not that many, but back then there was probably one pub per 500 houses and for a town with a population of about 8000 that is a lot of places to drink and fight. I have seen many a drunken pub fight in my life, is what I mean. This was that, and I was about to say "without the drunkenness" but then we are talking Sangre Chicana here so you know he would've been several units over the legal limit to drive or operate heavy machinery so I feel like that still applies. As has been mentioned a few times in here already, the realism of the brawling was sort of staggering. It might be the most realistic fight I've ever seen in wrestling. I'm not talking fight in the shoot fight sense; I mean fight in the way two men who've been drinking Guinness from 11 in the morning get to arguing about horse racing and one of them throws a punt tumbler at the other and they end up out on the street winging punches just as the kids are walking home from school. The way they (Chicana and Satanico, not the men we saw walking home from school) would hesitate, burst into fits of wild punches, retreat, size up each other again, burst back in, cover up while trying to fight back, it was amazing and as compelling as brawling has ever been. It didn't hurt that the punches were fucking incredible. There must've been a dozen where I thought "that might be the best punch I've ever seen." The tentative start was perfect and Chicana planting a headbutt right to Satanico's orbital bone was one of the best fuck you shots ever thrown, the grittiness getting ratcheted up a couple notches from there. In some ways the pacing felt a little like a lucha equivalent of Hashimoto/Fujiwara, not at all conventional but it felt 100% authentic and it was something I couldn't really take my eyes off. And then there's the selling from both of them, which was as wonderful as you'd expect from two of the best ever at that particular thing. Chicana getting entirely fed up with everything and throwing Satanico into the seats and trying to stomp him to death really did bring a tear to my eye. My childhood flashed before me and I yearn for those simpler times. For that reason alone I should probably have this #1.
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Post by mrjmml on Aug 31, 2023 13:50:04 GMT -5
Sangre Chicana vs El Satánico 5/26/1989
EMLL
Who said draws were boring? El Satánico and Sangre Chicana had a draw for the ages, El Satánico lost his hair a few weeks ago against El Dandy, that’s why he’s almost bald in this one, Daniel López (El Satánico) was a heel as usual, Sangre Chicana is also a heel, he’s best work came as a babyface but he wasn’t bad as a heel, he’s just not as convincing as he is as a heel, Andrés Richardson (Sangre Chicana) was a great brawler if you have been following my lucha journey you already know that, Satánico is a wrestler that has always connected with me, if you’ve seen the 1984 reviews you know how much I like him, he’s still in his prime even tough he had been wrestling for 16 years in 1989 so he was already a veteran by then, the announcers were also aware of that, they said that Satánico was already a veteran, they said that he wasn’t a young wrestler anymore, he wasn’t old man Satánico yet but we are getting there, they also said that Sangre Chicana was the kind of wrestler to make a comeback when you least expect, this one is a match whose appeal is pretty clear from the get go, they are two guys hitting each other very hard, both of them are great in this environment and they proved it, this match is wild, at some point near the end of the match they start brawling in the stands, the announcers had to explain the basic rules of lucha during the first fall because it was so unorganized and crazy that you had to make it clear, it’s a lucha brawl a great one, it’s a match I’d recommend to every lucha fan, even for the non-lucha fans the match is short enough for them to give it a chance, anyway everybody gets a good lucha brawl, Sangre Chicana and El Satánico are the perfect lucha introduction.
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Post by puroraisedme on Sept 18, 2023 2:01:45 GMT -5
Fucking fantastic match.
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