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Post by elliott on Dec 7, 2017 4:39:01 GMT -5
El Hijo del Santo & Octagon vs Eddy Guerrero & Love Machine Art Barr (Masks vs Hairs - AAA - 11/06/94)
This is another one of those "Not sure what to say" matches. Everyone's seen it, it has been talked to death going from classic to overrated to classic to overrated again and again seemingly. I'm firmly in the "This is a fucking all time great match no matter what" camp. Maybe the best tag match on US Soil. This or Final Conflict.
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Post by Cap on Dec 7, 2017 19:03:30 GMT -5
Second
Love love love this match. I need to rewatch this one. I am way overdue. Right now it isn't a lock, but it is one of those matches that sticks with me even more than some matches that I think of as locks, so this has room to move. Nothing but electric drama. Guerrero and Barr were lights out and this was probably (?) their shining moment.
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Post by Grimmas on Jan 4, 2018 23:23:34 GMT -5
The match that took me enjoying lucha to realizing it could be the best wrestling ever. The second fall where Santo's mask depends on Octagon is the most dramatic moment in wrestling history. Art Barr has an all-time great rudo performance here.
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Post by microstatistics on May 2, 2018 1:25:34 GMT -5
This is a really interesting match in that in happened in a Lucha promotion with lucha stipulations, in the US with WCW coverage but is worked like a Japanese juniors match. Anyways, when it comes to the heel/face dynamic, build, storytelling, drama, emotion and interesting twists and turns, this is as good as anything I've seen in pro wrestling. I liked how the pace slowed down in the 3rd fall and the teams trading stiff punts to the body. The Panther piledriver spot was utterly brilliant and got one of the loudest pops ever. Great finish as Santo was resilient enough to survive and smart enough to grab the win at the right time. It has a few botches but who cares? Top 20.
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Post by Cap on Aug 16, 2018 11:55:03 GMT -5
From my rewatch project on 8/16/2018
Los Gringos Locos vs El Hijos del Santo/Octagon (Double Hair vs Double Mask – AAA Tag Title – 11/6/1994)
Current Rank: 81
Trending: Down-ish
This match is both brilliant and a touch disappointing to me in a way. I don’t mean that as a “real” criticism as much as a nit-picky personal hang up. The way the first two falls were worked might be all time level excellence. Octagon needing to beat both Barr and Guerrero to save not only his own mask but arguably the most valuable mask in wrestling history is a brilliant piece of drama. The dominance and heel-work of Los Gringos Locos here amplifies that. Its truly top tier stuff. My issue here comes with the finish. I tend to disproportionately value finishes and this one always leaves me a touch flat. It isn’t that the finish is bad, but it just doesn’t live up to the rest of the match. In some ways that is the danger of a 2/3 falls match. There is a clear demarcation that can draw your attention to these things. Ultimately, that might be even more amplified by the stakes of the match. There is drama for sure, but it wanes from the earlier falls a bit. This is another one that is in that gatekeeper shelf for me with Warrior/Savage. Its part of the 3-4 matches that are at the very top of my 4.75 star rating. Anything that exceeds it probably gets 5. In that it will likely fall a bit just because I will probably run across more 5 star matches as I watch new stuff for this project, but my general feelings on the match are more or less the same. This is a brilliant piece of work, with one flaw in my eyes.
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Post by elliott on Sept 27, 2018 21:49:04 GMT -5
Cap, did you watch the full complete version of this or the one that WWE put out on Eddy dvds in the past that clipped the 3rd fall to hell?
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Post by club on Jul 18, 2022 13:45:05 GMT -5
Along with the 94 J Cup and IWA Japan King of the Deathmatch, When Worlds Collide was one of those must see shows when I started buying tapes. Wasn't sure about this match then then, still not sure about it now. For me it has some dramatic moments, particularly with Octagon's second fall. LGL are fantastic arsehole heels. It feels important (and is). Buuuut it's a match that lacks the connective tissue between the big stuff, it lacks the sort of ebb and flow that I enjoy in wrestling. So for me lots of fun but wouldn't make a list like this.
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Post by makaiclub on Jul 18, 2022 18:13:34 GMT -5
I will agree that this is one of the greatest tag team matches to happen on US Soil. That would be an interesting top ten. It was a wonderful viwing experience when Blue Panther enters the ring and hits a piledriver on Love Machine. It was so multi layered as well because it could be considered a payback spot for the piledriver on Octagon for new comers or for more hardcore fans, a call back to the Panther/Machine feud. Imagine being a fan of this at the moment. That is wrestling at its finest. Viva la Mexico. ****3/4
It was so messed up that this is Love Machine's last match. I forgot where I heard this, so pinch of salt time, but I believe it was supposed to be a singles match between Santo and Eddie but Love Machine asked to be put in as this was his chance to return to America.
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Post by elliott on Jul 18, 2022 20:09:45 GMT -5
It was so messed up that this is Love Machine's last match. I forgot where I heard this, so pinch of salt time, but I believe it was supposed to be a singles match between Santo and Eddie but Love Machine asked to be put in as this was his chance to return to America. It was in the WON in the Love Machine obit. Art offered to lose his hair for a huge discount because he wanted in the match so badly. Really sad story just all around. He probably would've gone to ECW with Eddy. I tend to think had he lived he would've been one of the defining wrestlers of his generation. Like the Macho Man Randy Savage of the Attitude era. |
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