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Post by elliott on Dec 3, 2017 17:29:23 GMT -5
El Satanico vs Gran Cochisse (“NWA World Middleweight Title” – EMLL – 9/14/1984
The standout match in maybe the single greatest year a wrestler ever had (Satanico’s 84). This is a classic lucha title match and has some of the best mat work you’ll ever see. This is basically the lucha version of Flair vs Steamboat. Top 10 contender.
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Post by Cap on Dec 3, 2017 20:56:55 GMT -5
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Yeah, this is definitely a top 10 or 20 contender for me. They accomplish a level of intensity and urgency in their grappling that I think is really hard to do. The counters are fluid, but everything still has some sting to it to me. I just stand in awe of this match sometimes. The drama they have by the end, the frenzy they have built is so impressive. This is one that is easy to get lost in.
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Post by jetlag on Jan 6, 2018 5:11:23 GMT -5
2nd. This is an interesting match because it's like an art house film of a wrestling match. Not that lucha isn't weird to begin with. This has the weird color contrast of the bright wrestling ring surrounded by mud, weird sound mix so every bump sounds rough as hell, and the commentator talking about it like you're watching a documentary on youth street criminals. As a match it's a borderline masterpiece anyways and GOAT contender. The holds and matwork are brilliant, but what pushes it ahead is the selling and body language.
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Post by tetsujin on Feb 12, 2021 8:11:26 GMT -5
After talking about Satánico's 1984 and saying I didn't remember the Cochisse match to be as good as some other of his singles matches, I wanted to give this match another try, to have an actualized opinion of it.
Nothing has changed too much, sadly. I always thought this match showed it could have been a total blast, considering there are some amazing matwork sequences here and there (the very first one, for example), great armwork at the start of la segunda caída and some clever nearfalls at la tercera, but, on the other hand, they weren't consistent enough throughout the whole match. For example, after Satánico winning (very outta nowhere, if you ask me) la primera caída after a hold to the left arm of Cochisse, la segunda caída starts with that wonderful armwork I mentioned before, first by Satánico and then by Cochisse as he comes back, but sadly this "clash of armworks" dynamic is forgotten for no reason, neither guy sells after a few minutes, and it only comes back for the final submission of the match. There are a lot of mediocre-to-bad matwork and rope running sequences, specially by Cochisse, who's obviosuly the worst worker of the two and moves so slow most of the times and makes the cooperation between the two so obvious that it puts me out of the match sometimes.
I also don't get the pacing of this match. I know it's a "lucha técnica" (and it's my favourite kind of lucha matches), but I missed some escalation; instead, they were always looking like if they were still warming up, except for very few specific spots at the end like Cochisse's plancha or some clever nearfalls. For example, I always thought about Azteca/Dandy and the Santito/Espanto Jr matches as better examples of lucha matwork matches, because they're structured better in a way the holds become more and more complex and painful. This one was very linear to me and they exchanged holds in a "my turn-your turn" way that didn't felt organic most of the times, specially due to Cochisse moving slowly and forcing Satánico to stay still, waiting for Cochisse to complete whatever thing he's trying to do (it's funny because the commentator at some point says something like "they're at slow motion"). Going 30 minutes like that doesn't help.
There are more things that kinda bother me (for example, they sell too much for no reason a lot of times, like, why would you sell the opponent kicking out of your bridge pin like if it was you the one knocked out) but that would be me nitpicking (even more!).It's still a very entertaining match, specially thanks to Satánico's attention to detail and natural charisma, and it has some brilliant moments here and there that definitely seems like the kind of match everyone loves to talk about when it comes to lucha, but as a whole this match is nowhere near great nor classic territory for me.
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Post by puropotsy on May 30, 2023 17:44:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed the finish to each fall here but didn’t get much out of the time in between. It was really great title match lucha but I prefer an apuestos match for intensity and stakes. I would probably be a low voter on this match.
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Post by mrjmml on Aug 16, 2023 13:53:18 GMT -5
El Satánico vs El Gran Cochisse 09-14-1984 EMLL
NWA Middleweight Title
El Satánico’s 1984 is something else, he’s inspired, he couldn’t have a bad match, if I told you that Cochisse is a bad wrestler after watching this match you wouldn’t believe me, this match is the quintessential carry job, Satánico made him look like a decent wrestler something no other performer ever achieved, I think this match was a career-defining moment for him, every time you think of Cochisse you think of this particular match and that’s because he didn’t have any other match that was nearly as good as this one and that speaks of Satanico’s greatness, I don’t blame anyone for thinking he’s the best wrestler México ever produced, his consistency and longevity are enough to put him in the GOAT conversation, I feel like he is México’s version of Terry Funk, doesn’t matter which style he wrestles he will always make the most out of every opportunity, the last match I reviewed was an all out brawl against a very good wrestler (Shiro Koshinaka) that match couldn’t be more different from the one we’re taking a look today, that’s special, having someone so versatile, it doesn’t happen often, young Satánico was incredible but I personally think that Satanico’s 2001 is even better, the feud against Último Guerrero was the highlight of the whole year not only in lucha but also in the world of professional wrestling, we’ll get into that eventually. The match played out as you expect for a mexican title bout, it’s all strictly technical wrestling, there weren’t any heel tactics, it was as clean as wrestling match can be and that makes this match even more impressive, it would have been much easier to carry him in a brawl setting but Satánico didn’t do that he made Cochisse look good in one of the cleanest lucha matches I’ve ever seen.
If you are curious here’s how the match went, the first fall was won comfortably by Satánico, the second fall looked like much of the same until Cochisse rolled him and lastly the third fall was all Satanico, he submitted Cochisse after a dominant performance.
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