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Post by Cap on Dec 8, 2017 19:33:36 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson vs Nigel McGuinness (ROH World Championship vs ROH Pure Championship Unification Match - ROH - 8/12/2006)
People have mixed feelings about this, but I think its my top ROH match and maybe my top Danielson/Bryan match. It is the final chapter of one of the most compelling ROH bookings, such a strong title vs title story. They had great chemistry. Nigel went all in (and I know that bothers some but its a topic for another time). I think it is laid out wonderfully and it keeps me engaged no matter how many times I have watched it. This is another one I can't imagine not making my list.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 5, 2018 16:58:52 GMT -5
Second.
Quite possibly the best match of the 2000's. An awesome battle of attrition that mixes violent strikes with sick submissions and a 3-rope break rule that makes for a perfect "who wants it more?" story. In hindsight, some of the spots are stupid considering both men's physical conditions, but that doesn't mean it's not an incredible match.
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Post by Kadaveri on Jan 6, 2018 7:24:04 GMT -5
This match would be a surefire classic even without the headbutts, so that bit of stupidity isn't going to stop me nominating this. Bryan Danielson is the best wrestler in the world at this time, and everything about the way he carries himself makes you believe it. It's really impressive how someone who's hardly the most physically imposing guy still has this aura of violence about him.
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Post by Cap on Jan 6, 2018 11:56:49 GMT -5
Glad this one got pushed through quick. I love this match so much. It will likely wind up fairly high on my list.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 18, 2018 10:17:07 GMT -5
As of right now it's a lock for my top 10.
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Post by Cap on Jan 18, 2018 10:51:23 GMT -5
bossrock, I feel like you and I have a lot in common when it comes to wrestling taste. You were really high on Guerrero/JBL too, correct? I like the cut of your jib, friend.
I can also see this getting into my top 10. I am actually sort of working through their ROH feud again between 1000 other watching projects/goals. I know a lot of people prefer other matches from them. I will be interested to see where this ranks against others for people.
Sort of relating to the crowd heat thread in discussions (which I recommend). This match had a white hot crowd that was so ready to see Nigel win the belt. This is a master class in playing to and off that crowd to the point where at the end there wasn't a riot after Dragon won, but that buzz stayed in the air.
My only gripe about this match - if my memory is serving me well - is that the second jawbreaker lariat was everything I hate about the move and it was compounded by the fact that the first one was flawless and fluid (which is rare for me to say). It wasn't enough to knock this out of the five start tier for me, but when I am picking nits that might come up.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 19, 2018 17:18:17 GMT -5
I haven't commented on the Guerrero-JBL match thread, but that is indeed a great one. Would have to re-watch it though.
And thank you! I like yours as well, ha.
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Post by Cap on Jan 19, 2018 18:18:39 GMT -5
Ah... I was thinking of someone else. Either way. Kobashi love, love for this match... i stand by my statements haha
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Post by superstarsleeze on Feb 10, 2019 2:38:03 GMT -5
What's the big deal with this match? I didnt see anything exceptional. That first Tower of London was egregiously bad. What was the story of this match? I had no reason to invest.
ROH World Champion Bryan Danielson vs ROH Pure Champion Nigel McGuiness - ROH Unified 8/12/06
The ROH Pure Championship was a neat idea to create a different type of match that would showcase technical wrestling by changing the rules. I think they should have gone full RINGS rules, but still included pinfalls to really make it distinct as is it was just watered down shoot style rules. I think everyone in Ring of Honor realized this and decided to abandon the championship by unifying it with the World Championship. Apparently, these two had to two prior matches in Cleveland. I am coming into this cold so sorry in advance if I miss any callbacks. Danielson is in the midst of an epic World Title reign.
You know what I was going to review this and then finish with this, but I am just going to start with it. What's the big deal? I mean the match is good, but what about this is exceptional? I don't even know what the story is. It was not limb psychology. They dropped that. They kinda teased a brawl twice, but the match was not a brawl. It is not very character-driven. Danielson is kind of a dick. Not doing a Mexican Surfboard as a means to get heel heat is really strange to me. It is not like my entire night was dependent on whether I see a Mexican Surfboard. A reviewer mentioned Nigel's gave a great fiery comeback. I don't know, have I been spoiled by Shinya Hashimoto? It was a fine comeback. It is a not a spotfest in sense that they were not just throwing out highspots. It wasn't overkill at all. I thought it was quite economical. The spot that clearly is the BIG spot of the match is when Nigel headbutts the steel ringpost repeatedly to bleed hardway. That was some Foley Theatre of Masochism. Then he headbutted Danielson repeatedly and I dont think he drew blood but just got his blood on Danielson. I mean writing that does make me feel like that should have been an epic spot of revenge, but it just rang hollow to me. I dont know the match; just felt good.
So what did I like about the match? I liked the symmetry of the beginning. Each winning two chain wrestling sequences (a little too slick on the chaining, but it was fine). I liked Danielson slapping the shit out of Nigel and not giving a clean rope break. Nigel earns his slap back by winning a wristlock sequence. That was great. Danielson's work on the arm was really tight. He had to earn his Butterfly Suplex into the cross-armbreaker. It drives me nuts when people stop selling when they make the ropes. It totally undercuts the whole five count. The heel is being evil. He is applying an excoriating hold for an extra four seconds that could be the difference your arm being broken. Fucking sell! Nigel attacking the arm out of revenge was good even if the transition was just ok. The transition back to Danielson was unmemorable thats when the lame Mexican Surfboard spot happened. Danielson hits two big bombs, superplex and diving headbutt, could have used more struggle. He then applies Cattle Mutilation. I hate this submission hold, but that a personal preference. It is very hard to make compelling via selling because your face is buried. It should be a quick tap out or nothing. It is a cool move because I love bridging, but it drags when it is just held. Nigel makes the ropes. Then Nigel just pops up and cuts Danielson off and hits Tower of London. I am just going to say it. If Danielson was not in this match, anyone else would be crucified for allowing that spot. This costs Danielson a rope break and Nigel applies Cattle Mutilation to eliminate Danielson's second rope break. They brawl on the outside. I really liked this spot where Danielson showed a lot of aggression bouncing Nigel's head off the table then trying to choke him out with the table and win by countout. Great spot! The best spot of the match is when Nigel goes for the Ultimo Dragon headstand in the corner and Danieslon dropkicks him in the head. YES! Finally someone smart enough to do that. I marked out for that. Danielson follows this up with the Crossface Chickewing, which is a great submission and Nigel makes the ropes. Danielson is quite smug that Nigel has lost all his rope breaks. Danielson wastes too much time and misses a diving headbutt. At this point, they should just go all in with a character-driven match. Big babyface comeback and all that jazz. But instead they do a bunch of 50/50 wrestling that is not driving the plot forward. Then Danielson does a Crossface Chickenwing on the top rope. I get that Nigel has no rope breaks, but I dont think that means the match becomes Falls Count Anywhere. Head-scratcher! Ok so then we get the stupidity of Nigel headbutting a ringpost to get color hardway. I like brutality in wrestling but this just looked like Nigel headbutting a ringpost. Obviously, there is no safe way to do it, but the safest way to do it is have Nigel be in complete control so Danielson is barley pulling him so it just looks like Nigel is headbutting a ringpost for shits & giggles. The Springboard Somersault into the crowd is always a pleaser. Back in the ring, Nigel hits those revenge headbutts. They just don't look as good as Fujiwara's and he is not roaring in a way that I am invested. I figured it out. I just was not invested in this match. Don't tell me it was because I came in cold to this match. I watched Chris Harris vs James Storm bloodbath cold. I could not give two fucks about Harris or Storm, but they sucked me into their match. Great wrestling can do that. Cattle Mutilation...McGuiness reverses and it is a barrage of Hammer Elbows to the head that KO's Nigel for the win. The finish was great, I will give them that.
It was just a match where they did stuff. I dont see the big deal. They gave me no reason to invest in the match. No hook. If this is the best Ring of Honor has to offer color me underwhelmed. ***1/4
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Post by cactus on Nov 16, 2021 2:07:36 GMT -5
This was an incredibly engaging and competitive technical classic with an all time brilliant heel performance from Bryan. McGuinness is the hometown hero and Bryan wants to rain on his parade and the crowd might respect Danielson, but they don't like him. The rule with the rope breaks was a great bit of psychology. When Nigel uses up his third and final rope break, he has to pray that he doesn't get caught in another submission as the ropes can't save him anymore. The ring post stuff might be a bit much for a post CTE world, but I'll be lying if I said it didn't hook me into the match even further. ★★★★★
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Post by [Darren] on Nov 16, 2021 7:22:05 GMT -5
I’m probably not going to have time to revisit this one. I know a lot people are high on it. I have the 2/23/08 match up high on my list but I don’t think this makes the cut this year.
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Post by elliott on Sept 25, 2023 23:19:54 GMT -5
Pass
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