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Post by elliott on Dec 8, 2017 20:06:33 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker (Hell in a Cell - WWF Badd Blood - 10/05/1997) I'm pretty indifferent to both of these guys. I used to love Michaels, then hated him, now I just don't care. Undertaker I never really liked even in his "great" period. But whoa this match is perfect. Incredible work, drama, selling. Its hard to say great "use of the gimmick" when the gimmick was meant to keep them inside the cage and people from interfering and they shit all over that. But how they used the cage in their work was fantastic. Really great match.
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Post by Cap on Dec 9, 2017 15:54:31 GMT -5
Second
Love this match. It is still my second favorite HIAC match. It is nuts that they set such a high bar on the first time out with this. It probably wont make my list because I actually don't love that this was where Kane debuted. It is just a "me" thing where this match felt like it needed some closure because it was that good, that big, that personal and Kane sort of derailed it for me - but that is just me.
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Post by twfi on Jan 4, 2018 12:21:05 GMT -5
I'll third this match.
This is the match when Shawn Michaels pays for messing with the Deadman...to a point. Undertaker is like a halloween monster stalking their victim taking his time. The breakout of the Cell is logical, Michaels gets thrown into and off it. Michaels then gets chucked around the announcers tables. 'Taker is about to finish off Michaels until Kane makes his debut dropping Undertaker with his own Tombstone. The first HIAC and still the best one.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 5, 2018 16:00:15 GMT -5
To me, this is the greatest WWE match of all-time which is pretty impressive considering it was the first time they did this kind of match. Tremendous story of Taker finally being able to get his hands on Michaels and just brutalizing him throughout the entire opening stretch. Michaels is able to use his speed and resiliency to fight Taker off, but only for short bursts. And while the point of the match was to prevent outside interference from DX or Michaels' escaping, the way they circumvented it with the injured cameraman was actually quite brilliant. The ending certainly wasn't clean, but it really worked perfectly.
Possible top 10 contender.
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Post by twfi on Jan 15, 2018 8:42:21 GMT -5
To me, this is the greatest WWE match of all-time which is pretty impressive considering it was the first time they did this kind of match. Tremendous story of Taker finally being able to get his hands on Michaels and just brutalizing him throughout the entire opening stretch. Michaels is able to use his speed and resiliency to fight Taker off, but only for short bursts. And while the point of the match was to prevent outside interference from DX or Michaels' escaping, the way they circumvented it with the injured cameraman was actually quite brilliant. The ending certainly wasn't clean, but it really worked perfectly. Possible top 10 contender. Top 10 contender for me as well.
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Post by Kadaveri on Jan 17, 2018 15:56:50 GMT -5
I think Kane's debut adds something more to the match. It's been copied since but wasn't this a really unexpected finish at the time? Can't think of anything like it happening before. Shawn's heel heat came from how he was able to act like such a prick constantly and always managed to escape the consequences, whether it was DX bailing him out or whatever. The cell was supposed to ensure he finally got what was coming to him. The Kane debut inadvertently saved Shawn once again, it's fitting for the story they were telling with him.
This is a lock for my list.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Sept 10, 2018 23:38:47 GMT -5
Definitely one of my most watched matches of all time and I really loved it again on recent re-watch. The Underaker as the slasher movie stalker ready to exact revenge on the biggest douche alive is such a great story but what really stuck out to me this time was just how smartly and organically Shawn was able to gain control and actually build a good heat segment. There's so many classics. I could see this one going either way on my list. A top ten match for WWF in the 90s for sure.
The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels - WWF Bad Blood '97
Man, I remember the build for this match like it was yesterday. I just started watching wrestling in late July of 97 and this was one of the feuds that totally hooked me. Shawn Michaels was at the peaks of his heel powers. So, so, so obnoxious. I remember absolutely hating D-X as a kid and I wanted Undertaker to murder him in the ring. That's basically how they sell this match as legalized murder. In hype, everybody is saying this could be Michaels' last match or the last we see of Michaels.
Maybe the match I have seen the most in my life. Watching it back, there was not a spot I forgot. I could call the whole match and it is beautiful. We all know the story this is a Horror Movie come to life, but it has been turn on its head. The monster is the hero and the loudmouth prick is being brought to justice, but being locked in the Cell with Frankenstein. Like The Creature from the Black Lagoon, The Undertaker rises over and over again. On offense, The Undertaker is perfect and delivers a bone-chilling performance as the remorseless monster stalking his prey. It is not a mood that is invoked a lot in wrestling, but dread is the feeling. Shawn does a great job never letting the babyface shine become heel in peril. With a babyface that moves as slow as the Undertaker and pace being methodical, it could feel that way, but Shawn's big bumping and how they escalate the violence never let this become boring. My one complaint is that it was a little too easy for The Undertaker to take command. I would have loved Shawn try to throw a lot more strategies early on and watch them fail in spectacular fashion. We see him try speed and eat the big boot then he tries punching and then tries a poke to the eye. However, he is so focused on bumping that he needs to show a little more "Oh fuck, I'm screwed" when each plan backfires.
I LOVE, LOVE the heat segment. I love how Michaels ducks on the third ricochet off the cage and Taker goes into it. I love that it takes TWO more spots for Michaels' to cement his advantage: he shoves Taker off the apron sending him hard into the cage and then the suicide dive. Then I love the full court press. The elbow drop using the cage is fucking awesome. Came off great. Piledriver on the steel stairs is awesome. Chairshots playing off Summerslam was great, but he should have went for the head and given us double juice. I really liked that big boot hope spot when Taker tied up in the ropes. It got a big pop (biggest of the match thus far) and was a great hope spot. The backdrop over the top rope wipes out the cameraman. Michaels throws a temper tantrum, which plays into his character. I didnt like that Taker had control and had hit the last two spots took so much of a breather to allow Michaels to do this and that Michaels went back on top right afterwards to go through his finish sequence. I think you need a spot in there to have Michaels retake command by Taker missing a move or Michaels be more desperate to attack the cameraman in order to open the cage door. Sweet Chin Music->Zombie Situp is an excellent transition as to why Michaels wanted to get the Hell Out of Dodge.
The ending is perfect and revolutionary. The slingshot bladejob, Taker killing Michaels, HBK going down low and then making the impulsive, but dumb decision to climb the cage. The work on top of the cage is amazing and tense. The highspot is iconic even if Foley blew it out of the water the next year. Michaels crumpled in a bloody heap is an amazing visual. I love how they make sure Taker's gets revenge by caving Michaels' brain in with the steel chair as he finally get his receipt for Summerslam only for Kane to debut. What an amazing finish! Kane debuts in the most epic fashion possible and that fucking little bastard Michaels somehow reaps the rewards. Not only does he survive to fight another day, but he gets to gloat about how he beat him. Goddamn if that ain't great booking I dont know what is.
A+ for ambiance, narrative and booking. They nailed the big picture, there were just a couple details that could have enhanced the match, but still one of the most influential matches in US Pro Wrestling history and one that is so unique in its dark, slow mood. ****3/4
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Post by KB8 on Apr 11, 2023 14:02:03 GMT -5
It's funny how we go in cycles with stuff. 15 years ago I probably would've called this the best match in WWE history. 10 years ago it might've been the 20th. Five years ago I might not have even considered it good. I don't know where I would rank it today, but I thought on the whole it was maybe sort of quite possibly magnificent. Or you know, at least pretty fuckin good!
I thought Michaels was maybe the best he's ever been here, certainly as a pinballing bump machine idiot. I know some people find him too much, really in all aspects of wrestling or just life in general, but pinballing bump machine Michaels has always been my favourite Michaels. I think the idea that he was always trying to make opponents look stupid or lesser than him has been a little overblown through the years. There were absolutely times where he was out to do that and if you don't actually LIKE him bumping around then that's another matter entirely, but I think for the most part he did it to make it look like he was getting pummelled. I don't think his philosophy in that respect was much different than a Curt Hennig's. And the story of this thing is about Shawn Michaels getting pummelled. He'd cost Undertaker the WWF title when he tried to take the head off Bret Hart and missed, then he went past the point of no return when he tried to take the head off the Undertaker and didn't miss. At the previous PPV he got kicked up and down the place but in the end he ran away and lived to fight another day. If running away failed he had HHH and Chyna and Rick Rude to watch his back. Undertaker was a semi-lucid cadaver and had no mates at all after Paul Bearer betrayed him and who wants to hang around with a zombie anyway? So Jack Tunney or whoever the hell was running shit at this point threw them in a cage, nowhere to go, one on one, as level a playing field as you could get.
The opening third is about what you expect. Michaels tries to run before they even close the door, realising immediately that he's up shit creek without a paddle or a Chyna, but obviously he gets dragged back in and from that point on he's a dead man walking. This isn't a hate-filled brawl between two guys who despise each other. It's not Duggan v DiBiase. If we're talking cornered rats finally being forced into a fight it's not Tully v Magnum. It's not even a contest really, it's a total destruction by one guy who has all the time in the world to savour it, while the guy being destroyed has no way of horseshitting his way out of it. That cat's used all nine lives.
Look, Undertaker in control is fine. He does stuff. He walks around, works methodical, soaks in the opportunity to batter this deeply unlikeable individual. It's a nice enough Michael Myers performance. Un-killable monster isn't always the most compelling thing in the world because you can't really buy the opponent putting him in any peril, but the early parts were about Michaels getting his rear end handed to him and they accomplished that well. I loved how anything Michaels could muster that might even approach a comeback materialised because he'd just cling to the cage like a limpet. There was one point where Undertaker hoisted him up for a powerbomb outside, Michaels grabbed the cage and started throwing punches while up on Undertaker's shoulders, but then after a few Undertaker just powerbombed him three times into the cage itself. Michaels takes about four flat back bumps off of clotheslines on the floor with ridiculous snap given how little padding those mats actually provide.
When Michaels actually manages that comeback he does it again by using the cell, and this was a great comeback. It was a slower burn, not a case of one move connecting and there's your momentum shift. That would've been preposterous unless you figure Undertaker could somehow punch himself out. First it was Michaels ducking a clothesline and Undertaker hitting the cage, then he shoved Undertaker off the apron back into it, and finally he hit a tope that squashed him against it. After he's taken over Michaels sticks to using the cell, climbing up the side and jumping off with stomps and an elbow drop, then there's the piledriver on the steps that's an amazing spot. The sound off the thing was disgusting and it might be the best piledriver to ever happen in WWE. They also play off some HISTORY~ when Michaels brings in the chair and wellies Undertaker in the back with it.
I thought the way they opened the cage was great. I mean you absolutely unequivocally ten hunner thousand percent buy Shawn Michaels being unprofessional enough to legit kick fuck out of a cameraman for just getting in his road. Undertaker sitting up after the superkick is one of those things that might irritate some folk, but I'm one of those people who thinks the Ultimate Warrior kicking out of five Macho Man elbow drops is the greatest spot in the history of our great sport so I don't have any real problem with it. Michaels' "okay enough of this carry on" reaction was perfection and I fully bought him running for the hills.
Everything after that is about as good as it gets. They'd teased Michaels getting lawn darted into the cell earlier only for him to slip out the back of it, so them going back to it outside and him playing human javelin twice was a great payoff. The slingshot is something Michaels always made look good considering it's kind of stupid as a concept, and this one looked like he got shot out of a cannon face-first into the cage. The bladejob off of that is epic and disgusting and then you've got him trying to climb the cell to get away, only for Undertaker to be one of those undead who isn't completely mindless and scales the thing with the HASTE of a man half his size. The gorilla press slam up top is an amazing spot, one that's even crazier in hindsight considering we know what happened to Foley a few months later. I also forgot about Michaels trying to hit another piledriver as soon as Undertaker got up there, which of course was reversed. Michaels stumbling around, bloody and confused like that Mr Krabs meme, looking for salvation thirty feet in the air, might be the best work of his career. Then there's the table bump, which is still incredible even if it isn't the wildest table bump to have happened in an Undertaker hell in a cell match. I loved the little touch of Undertaker stomping on one hand, Michaels feebly clinging on with the other, then that one is stomped on and you're like holy shit he might actually die here, Lawler shouting "INCOMIIIIING" as Michaels plummets to earth. Michaels also gest chucked across the other table while he's tangled in cables and cords and bits of blood-stained paper are strewn everywhere, then he gets slammed on the first table's debris. Just a maniacal bump orgy from Michaels. They even hit a top rope chokeslam back in the ring, and then the chair shot might be the nastiest in recorded history, the perfect exclamation on this particular revenge tour. Shawn leaving literal puddles of blood on the mat is a phenomenal visual, the cell door is locked again, Undertaker is satisfied with what he's done. This puppy's all but over.
The Kane debut is honest to god one of the most vivid memories of my childhood. I remember my friend and I back then wondering if this Kane person that Paul Bearer kept going on about was actually real. We spent one afternoon looking through the covers of old WWF video tapes and we convinced ourselves that Kane was actually the original Undertaker, the one with the big purple patches under his eyes, and that the current one appeared much later. Thankfully neither my friend nor I spend our days raving on twitter about Damar Hamlin's body double, but at the time we suspected something fishy. In the end we were both wrong. I watched this PPV the night after it aired, sleeping on a mattress on the floor in the living room so I could watch it on the big TV, and my jaw was on the floor when this giant in red and black came out to the eerie music, Paul Bearer beaming with satisfaction. Kane was real and he was here for the Undertaker. I couldn't stop thinking about it for days and it's still probably the best thing Kane was ever involved in.
As a finish I think it's pretty much perfect. Michaels didn't win the thing, he only survived it long enough for the Undertaker's past to come back and haunt him. He might've crawled over for the cover but he doesn't have a clue what happened in the end and he was out like a light when Hebner counter to three. There's a close up of him after the bell, lying with one hand across the Undertaker's chest, blood pouring out his head as another puddle of it forms on the mat. He's literally dragged out the ring and up the aisle and Chyna has to raise his arm in victory while Helmsley does the suck it chop across Shawn's crotch and not for a second does it look like Michaels knows what's going on. I guess some cats have more than nine lives.
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Post by microstatistics on Apr 12, 2023 21:34:46 GMT -5
Great review KB8.
Oddly, this match has always struggled to click for me at the highest level even though I am much higher on HBK, Taker, and this pairing than most people around these parts are. Still, one thing this match does well is make elements that would ordinarily hurt a match (the complete lack of urgency from Taker, no-selling a finisher, interference-altered outcome) work due to the overarching story. Maybe it's due another rewatch.
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Post by lemming on Nov 16, 2023 8:24:06 GMT -5
I voted this #64.
A nice wholesome story about a young man who gets locked in an inescapable cage with an unkillable undead zombie who hates him. And the guy is a jerk anyway so we're rooting for the zombie to kill him. And then the jerk escapes the inescapable cage but then climbs it for some reason and the zombie throws him off and drags him back into the inescapable cage and hits him with a chair and then the zombie's hitherto unseen half brother turns up and he's a demon hellspawn libertarian and he beats up the unkillable zombie so the man jerk wins and gets away. And wrestling is pretty great sometimes.
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