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Post by Cap on Dec 9, 2017 17:29:26 GMT -5
Super Dragon vs Necro Butcher (No DQ - PWG - 9/2/2006)
If this was a favorites list I'd consider this a contender for top 20 or so. I love this match. It is such a wild and crazy fight. You can see Super Dragon being pissed at certain points. They aren't holding back on each other AT ALL. This will likely get compared to Necro vs Joe a lot (which is also pretty great), but I prefer this one. Super Dragon is a gem. I am not sure if it makes my list, but it could sneak into the 95-100 range where I may be placing some personal favorites anyway.
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Post by elliott on Dec 10, 2017 0:14:29 GMT -5
Seconded. I fucking love this and prefer it to Joe/Necro in a major way. Joe/Necro is fucking awesome and something I'll nominate here shortly, but this has a great shot at being my highest ranked indy match and possibly the only one to make my top 100. I love this though. One of the most spectacular finishes in history.
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Post by fadu on Jan 4, 2018 17:53:20 GMT -5
I actually also prefer this to Necro/Joe too, which is absolutely no slight. Just two extremely violent men taking violence even further than you would expect. A true indie spectacle.
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Post by fxnj on Jan 26, 2018 22:38:04 GMT -5
Fourthed. Mixed feelings here. I remember trying to watching this several years ago and turning it off halfway through thinking it was an awful match. I still didn't dig the first half on rewatch, but they picked it up in the second half and I think they turned it into a pretty good match overall. When they got in the ring in the second half, both guys threw some hard strikes and there was a good feel of reckless abandon to the chair spots with them just throwing them at each other. Necro's sell job on his hand also added a cool extra layer of psychology and it was really nice as they both seemed to slowly realize that neither guy was gonna stay down easy.
The stuff before that, though, just struck me as a slow and shapeless spotfest with them just going around the arena and hitting nutty spots before waiting around for a while and hitting another spot. The layout seemed kind of wonky as you had the long sell jobs and most dangerous looking spots in the first half while the second was more fast paced but reserved in crazy spots. It seemed they tried to work in a reset spot to bridge the two halves when Necro went back to the ring after hitting a tiger driver on the stage and waited for Super to get back in, but even that seemed poorly done as it made little sense for Necro to give Super so much time to recover in a match that had no countouts.
I get that they wanted to cram in as much craziness as they could think of and tease a 30 minute draw so they could sell this match as being between the two craziest and most resilient wrestlers out there, but Joe/Necro showed that less can be more. If they had trimmed the length, kept it mostly in the ring, and just worked in a few of the most brutal outside spots then I'd agree that this might be in the conversation for best 2000's indy match. As it is, they display some interesting ideas here and it does rank pretty high in sheer brutality, but I don't think it's a great match.
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Post by bossrock on Jul 18, 2018 22:06:44 GMT -5
I know "one of the most violent matches I've ever seen" gets thrown around a lot, but yeah, this was one of the most violent matches I've ever seen. Jesus Mary Joseph is there anyone who hates their own head more than Necro Butcher? Not so much your average brawl than a plunder bombfest, but holy hell does it work. I still prefer Joe-Necro as that had more of a natural, controlled chaos feel but the ambition of both men here really pays off.
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Post by joeg on Jul 19, 2018 15:28:35 GMT -5
Where can I find this?
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Post by Cap on Aug 6, 2018 20:17:03 GMT -5
From my rewatch write up on 7/16/2018 Necro Butcher vs Super Dragon (No DQ – 2/9/2006) Current Rank: 96 Trending: Even Necro Butcher and Super Dragon currently sit in the personal section of my list and I think that is where they are going to stay. It sort of exists on a massive tier with at least 30-50 other matches that could vie for one of the final few spots. Few of those matches make me as happy as this match does. Maybe that makes me morbid because I am pretty sure these dudes hurt one another, but I think more than anything it's a matter of respect for me. These two grown ass men decided to go beat on one another to tell us all a story and I have unlimited respect for that. Super Dragon and Necro have always been two of my favorites. Super Dragon is one of the best body language communicator in wrestling and he oozes baddass charisma. For his part, Necro Butcher is an all time brawler and a fellow West Virginian. If you don’t know anyone from West Virginia we typically have a strange loyalty to our state and to people who have success from it (politics aside of course – that's a different thing). Necro and Dragon create absolute magic here as far as I am concerned. I get that this kind of thing isn’t for everyone, but it sure as fuck is for me. Full post can be found here: gweproject.freeforums.net/thread/657/caps-watching-project-reports#ixzz5NS0vVjdF |
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Post by jetlag on May 5, 2019 8:11:45 GMT -5
Necro vs. Indy Star Who Can Kick Ass is a tried and true formula, and this may have been the craziest and most out of control of them all. Couple seconds into the match both guys are holding on to eachothers shirts and swinging huge punches, couple seconds later Dragon was knocked loopy to the outside. Necro then goes for his elaborate chair spots only to be elbowed in the face an angry Dragon who still had a chair around his neck. The match had a lot of spots which required some set up, but there were also constant eruptions in between where guys would smack eachother recklessly. Dragon would use all these puro tribute kicks and elbows while Necro just throws reckless bum fight punches and stomps. The blown spots added to the trainwrecky feel and Dragon hurling a chair at the back of Necros head when he looked away is a classic barfight move. Obviously Dragon is strong with the body language, looking pissed off, throwing chairs around while the audience is watching this real life Godzilla battle, while Necro is just a tremendous babface here, getting face pops not to mention the selling of his destroyed hand. The indy „Burning Hammer into a chair“ spots were obviously really brutal but the most violent moment of the match may have been them trying to kill eachother in the corner. This is a little long and slow here and there but I imagine it's tough to work a super stiff bumpfest for almost 25 minutes without slowing down and for „Clash of the Titans“ type matches (which this really is, toughest madman vs. Biggest asskicker on the continent) it doesn't get much better.
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Post by KB8 on Dec 3, 2020 10:59:57 GMT -5
Another example of a mid-2000s indie dream match knocking it out the park. This had a sort of old school territories feel to it with Necro bringing his madness from the Great Lakes out to Cali, like an Abby or Sheik rolling into Memphis and wreaking havoc. Necro's wearing cowboy boots with thumbtacks stuck to the sole. Dragon's mask is all-time great and he has that aura of a psychopath with the thick gut and bush league bodysuit; the sort of thing a serial killer flung together in his basement. It felt like a true spectacle before they even locked up. Then it felt like an even truer spectacle as soon as they did. This wasn't as viscerally insane as Necro/Joe but in some ways it might've been even more brutal. Necro/Joe was like the scene in True Detective where McConaughey tries to drag a meth head biker through a gangland warzone. That was complete chaos with the underlying sense that anyone could get caught in the crossfire. This was a different sort of chaos, a bit more channeled, a bit more primal, but even without the blood it might've had even more moments where you can't believe they've actually done this to themselves. Some of it was grotesque - the backdrop Dragon takes on the stage where he could've shattered his coccyx, the curb stomp on the chair, Dragon double stomping Necro's FACE (disgusting), basically every strike they threw. On Necro's end the striking made up an awesome part of the story. Reckless punches to the temple are a staple of every Necro murderfest, so Dragon takes the initiative early and smashes his hand to bits with a chair. Necro sells what may have been a very legitimate broken hand the rest of the way, going to these borderline-untrained punches almost as a last resort, throwing absolute hand grenades that might hurt himself but will hurt Dragon a whole lot more. Dragon responds with hellish elbows and punts and straight up chops Necro in the face. Every chair shot was outrageous and Dragon chucking one full force at the back of Necro's head is the greatest prison riot move in history. In matches like this it can sometimes be hard not to finish things on an anticlimax, just because they've put each other through such ridiculousness beforehand that you can't quite buy someone staying down for whatever happens at the end. That was absolutely not the case here as Dragon's Psycho Driver on the chair was a fucking absurdity. Honestly, I didn't think it needed to be 27 minutes long as it did lead to a bit of laying around. On the flipside, I'd glad they took that time in between all the hellish shit to sell a little extra, when the alternative would usually be cramming in even more hellish shit and it all being a bit too much. So you accept the tradeoff and walk away happy, if maybe a little dirty for enjoying two lunatics doing this to each other.
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Post by Cap on Oct 12, 2021 9:49:50 GMT -5
Are people still looking for this match. I know it was at one point sort of hard to get your hands on. If anyone is still looking let me know.
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Post by puroraisedme on Feb 20, 2024 4:01:36 GMT -5
Honestly I might rank this super high, top 20 MAYBE even top 15. Just an unbelievably wild and great brawl. Necro was predictably great and this is easily Super Dragon's career match and probably even career performance too. Wildly stiff shots from both men, great selling of the hand from Necro and psychology built around the hand injury, nutty bumps and an incredibly memorable finish.
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