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Post by Cap on Mar 24, 2020 18:55:03 GMT -5
I am not sure this is a comparison that really aligns with the categories we have been using, but I think its an interesting question. I'll go into more detail later, but these two strike me as very similar in a lot of ways. They are both larger than life figures in wrestling. They are both - in my own opinion - bad wrestlers between the ropes, but undeniable characters with charisma. On the other hand they both have good, highly touted matches. They both also have a aura of dominance.
So who is the better wrestler?
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Post by Kadaveri on Mar 25, 2020 13:25:33 GMT -5
Goldberg, because he's the only guy to have had good matches where he had the better performance e.g. against Scott Hall at Souled Out.
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Post by elliott on Mar 25, 2020 18:32:21 GMT -5
I went with Warrior. Never seen a Goldberg match approaching Warrior/Savage x2 and Warrior/Rude. Would rather watch Goldberg in a squash. Neither are guys I go out of my way to watch.
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Post by Cap on Mar 25, 2020 19:04:18 GMT -5
I more or less agree with Elliott.
Goldberg is not without value. He is more than capable of having a good match or even a great match with the right set up and dance partner (Brock at Mania). He is also fantastic in a good squash. However the room for error with him is more or less nonexistent. I do genuinely think he is dangerous, not because of his limitations, but because he doesn't seem to accept them. Hart's criticism of him in WCW is well known and I think - from my couch for what little it is worth - it is valid. However on the returns he has looked bad and outright dangerous more than once. He also has just enough knowledge of mma and shoot style grappling and striking to try it but apparently not enough to do it very well. Its frustrating because if he could have sharpened that even a little he would have become much much better and would have been right up my ally as a fan. He has bright spots and solid matches. I haven't watched that Hall match in ages, but the DDP match stands out. The Brock mania match is probably his best. I legit enjoy the Regal match even though parts are cringy because it forced the best bits out of him. I remember a Steiner match got some hype his match with Jericho did as well. Both are rated on cagematch and I honestly don't remember much of them. I completely understand why some people like him. He is intense and charismatic and when he walks out you get tricked into believing you could see something awesome... even if you know better. I saw someone on wrestling twitter say it was absurd to think Jericho is better than him (someone who may be associated with this board but no longer seems to roam these parts - haha). I find that sort of a jarring take, but whatever... to each their own.
Warrior shares a lot of characteristics with Goldberg. He is big, clunky, and very limited. In a way he might even be more physically limited than Goldberg, much less of an overall athlete. However, I think Warrior had two advantages. First, he was in the WWE during most of his major run, and in the 90s. Man... that is a world made for someone like Warrior (or a world that made him). The setting didn't demand more of him. Which leads to the second advantage, he knew his limitations and worked around them. It didn't demand more of him and he didn't try to give more. Look at his match with Hogan. I loved that match as a kid. I went through a super snobby time in my fandom where I couldn't be bothered, but - even though I can still be kinda snobby - I eventually came back around on that being a pretty good to great match. It could only be that because both guys knew what they were and did their part. Warrior probably has at least 3 or 4 matches I would say top anything Goldberg did, including the Savage Mania match which is locked onto my list.
Neither guy really excites me, but I will admit to a sort of curiosity with both. It stems from their larger than life charisma and their iconic places in wrestling. I think they make for an interesting comparison.
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