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Post by Cap on Dec 10, 2017 14:55:19 GMT -5
CM Punk vs John Cena (WWE World Championship - WWE - 7/17/2011)
What can you say about this. The build to this was probably some of the best storytelling/tv the WWE has ever done, at least in recent memory. The crowd was absolutely on fire. Personally, I am not a huge fan of Vince's role and the teasing the screw job stuff, but it can't hold this back from being an absolutely classic. I expect this will make a lot of lists.
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Post by elliott on Dec 11, 2017 15:42:30 GMT -5
Seconded. Awesome match, moment, storyline and in-ring rivalry. I'd be surprised if it made my list. I like Cena and generally like Punk ok, but modern matches are going to have an uphill battle on my list. I definitely wouldn't have this ahead of Cena vs Brock, Cena vs Umaga or Cena vs Bryan. That alone makes this a longshot for my ballot. However I wouldn't blink at someone putting this in their top 10. It is a great match.
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Post by Grimmas on Jan 4, 2018 23:26:07 GMT -5
The greatest WWE crowd outside of Canada. The story going into this was tremendous and it was played so well in the match. Big Match John's best big match opponent and this may be the best of their series.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 5, 2018 15:52:36 GMT -5
There's a chance this misses the cut for me. It's no doubt a great match and the crowd heat absolutely elevates it. It just takes too long to get going and doesn't really heat up until the second half. In all honesty, it's not that much different from a lot of NJPW main events. It's still one of the best matches of either Punk or Cena's career, but not their absolute best. More of a top 150-200 contender if anything.
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Post by El Mckell on Jan 20, 2018 6:48:19 GMT -5
This absolutely makes my list, my favourite atmosphere for any match ever. The last 10-15 minutes is great WWE style main event wrestling. I love the post match, I love the pre-match hype video, the entrances, this is what wrestling is all about.
*****
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Post by karlpg on Jan 20, 2018 10:25:26 GMT -5
I don't know if this makes my final list, but none the less, this is essential modern WWE, probably the best match since Bret v Austin at WM.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Dec 30, 2019 18:39:25 GMT -5
This match began the WWE Renaissance of 2011-2014 when WWE in-ring work was just stellar. It was one great match after another. My wrestling fandom was on life support, 2010 was a brutally boring year and the first half of 2011 was even worse. CM Punk’s pipebomb promo was an adrenaline shot that WWE badly needed. I was lucky enough to attend the go home show to MITB in Boston Best go home show ever. That Cena/Punk/Vince promo was incredible. We got this PPV, I’d only get one year and this was a must buy. I loved this match. It is sad in a way but it didn’t live up to the memory. It is still great and an incredible moment in time but didn’t have the same zing. Still in my Top 100 but not Top 50 like I expected.
WWE Champion John Cena vs CM Punk - Money In The Bank 2011
For one month, wrestling was cool again. Much like WWE right before this time period, I had been going through the motions. Sure I watched every single week since Wrestlemania XIX, but I was in funk. Just like that CM Punk woke me and the WWE the fuck up and I have never really looked back having gone to two Wrestlemanias since then. It was because of the Punk angle that I started investing more time watching older footage and now even when the product gets depressing or mundane there is always Piper/Snuka, Islanders/Striker Force, Flair/Luger, All Japan and 8 million other things to be watched. So as I try to remember the 21st century haze that I lived through, I figure what better match to start with then the match that rekindled my love for pro wrestling.
As much as I love WCW, it is like when WWF bought WCW they inherited all their stupidity when it came to booking: random burials, discontinuities, lack of clear direction, last minute booking, and bad finishes but without any of that panache that WCW brought to stupidity. There was usually something charming about WCW's idiocy whereas WWE is just mundane and depressing at times. Well for one night, they got everything right. I loved the dichotomy between the crowd and the announce team. The announce team openly cheering for Cena, Mr. WWE with Lawler openly questioning why the crowd would be loyal to Punk. Cole did an amazing job putting over how colossal this match is. By the time the opening bell rings, even three years removed from the match, this match feels like the biggest match since Rock/Austin at Wrestlemania X-7. The term "big match" feel gets thrown around but it is amazing how colossal the whole event feels. Cena is just so solemn. He is portraying so well from the get go how much pressure he is under and how big the match is. Not to be outdone, Punk's cool swagger reminds you the most dangerous man is the man who does not give one fuck.
I do not think this match would work in front of any other 21st century crowd except this one. They were able to take advantage of the natural molten crowd heat deliver a slow-build championship match, which has never ever been the forte of the WWF, except for a smattering of them during Bret Hart's heyday. Both men are very cautious at the outset, which proves under his cool exterior CM Punk does care very deeply about this and his bravado may carry him so far. I like how the pepper in big bomb teases like a Punk roundhouse, Anaconda Vice (EDIT: didnt come off that great in my re-watch), FU early to keep everyone on their toes in between well-worked chain wrestling. It is not the best chain wrestling in the world, but it is better than what usually passes for chain wrestling in the WWE. I actually liked how back and forth it was because it really established them as equals. (EDIT: I liked how they worked in and out of headlock because it made the sequences breathe. I liked how in the first movement sequence that Punk won gave the crowd their victory. The second movement sequence gives the crowd a pop for Punk doing You Cant See Me and the double finish tease. Things feel more calculated and mechanical this watch, you can see Punk calling long sequences in the headlock.The crowd heat is still tremendous and spot selection is smart. Cena got more offense than I remembered at the beginning, Sting-style Bulldog, Big Clothesline and fisherman suplex, which I think is smart to establish Punk as the underdog and keep the crowd hot for Punk. I am kinda surprised action marks like Meltzer rated this so highly because there is a lot work in and out of holds.)
The first transition is brilliant as Cena gets caught going for a home run early and pays via a Punk DDT (EDIT: Punk hit a back suplex out of a chinlock and there was no DDT, Cena gets dumped outside and then kneedrop happens. A stronger transition would have be much better) and then a knee drop from middle rope on to neck. Punk looks to hit a cross-body but it is a bit low and it looks like it could have jammed Cena's leg. Cena kicks out and immediately retreats to the apron to tend to his knee. Planned spot or not, it is brilliant work by Cena. (EDIT: Thought the same thing all these years later. It looks like really smart improv on Cena's part. The suplex by Cena from the ring to the floor is such a huge spot.)
It is time I bring up my quibble of the match. I really liked the layout, but the execution was sometimes suspect (Punk not landing on his feet on the FU and seeming to be a bit off in general on spots) and the lack of struggle (transitions in & out of submissions) was very noticeable. There was token resistance by Punk before he was suplexed over the top rope all the way to the floor by Cena. The selling and bump by Punk were incredible and were the main focal points of the spot. However, all the details count and maybe it is because I have watched so much NOAH at this point, but you got to sell you don't want to go over the top rope too. Where was the struggle and tease to really build that spot to the next level. The match was almost too neat at some points is all. (EDIT: Yes that what I meant by mechanical is that it is too neat. I liked overarrching layout of Punk working from underneath, but I think it is inefficient. There are some superfluous spots. )
Even though struggle within a move was not always there. The struggle over the course the match is what drove this. Punk really had to earn his offense to keep Cena down. (EDIT: I do think this is the strong suit of the match is that Punk has to prove himself to Cena in contrast to the Summerslam 2013 D-Bry match where Bryan felt like Cena's equal from jump.) It really felt like you were watching a star being born because Punk was not backing down. He was never discouraged every time Cena had an answer (Edit: Like Cena using his raw power to counter the G2S with a gutwrench suplex) but Punk kept pressing. I love when Cena knows he is about to get a big heel reaction for something and he just plays it up as it's just Johnny being Johnny. Nothing is a better example of this then when he goes for the Five Knuckle Shuffle and the crowd boos furiously only for Punk to kick him in the head and hit a suicide. What an ingenious crowd pleasing spot! Cena had answers, but Punk kept coming. Then Punk hitting those stiff, stiff knees to the jaw to Cena when he was leaning on the ropes were probably my favorite moment (EDIT: Great context as this was after Cena had gone for the FU). Neither Cena nor Punk is particularly stiff and that made those knees really stand out. (EDIT: Punk springboard clothesline was a great nearfall surprised I didnt mention it) Finally, finally Punk seems to have Cena on the ropes, but again Cena has an answer this in the form of the STFU (EDIT: Cena ducking the kick and picking the ankle was awesome). I loved Cole cheering for a Cena tap out victory added so much to the atmosphere (EDIT: There were 2 STFS actually and each one was awesome. This one was created by a finish switcherroo into an STF and then leads to Anaconda Vice, which I mentioned as poor submission struggle, which it was.) Cena hits the first FU, (Edit: which was a flash FU) but Punk kicks out, which triggers a big pop. I have to say it, but fuck, I hate the catch you midair powerbomb, it has never looked good (EDIT: Not only is that always a bad spot, it was particularly bad version of the spot). (EDIT: The back half of this match is far superior to the front half. I was surprised how almost pedestrian the front half was with the crowd, commentary and story bailing them out of a pretty much tepid start). The follow-up to second FU with a super FU had a pretty lame set-up. I take it back the best spot of the match is Punk finally hitting Go 2 Sleep only for Cena to roll out of the ring. His expression said it all. The championship may have eluded his grasp. Vinny Mac and Johnny Ace worried that Punk is edging closer to victory come out as an insurance policy. Given the storyline, you got to do the Montreal Screwjob tease while Punk is in the STFU, but Cena DECKS Johnny Ace. (EDIT: GREAT SPOT!) Cena says NOT THIS WAY! Punk says YES THIS WAY when he hits him with a Go 2 Sleep to win the title. Love the Del Rio tease and the blowing a kiss to Vince! (EDIT: What a great finish!)
In retrospect, this match is the inverse of the 2013 RAW match (EDIT: Another match I need to rewatch). Punk had Cena's number and it was Cena's last hurdle before going to Wrestlemania to face Rock to exorcise his demons. In the 2013 match, Cena had to prove to Punk that he was on his level as Punk had an answer for each of his moves, but eventually Cena would "unlock" his moves and go on to finally vanquish CM Punk. In this match, Cena was the King and Punk needed to prove he was on the level of the champion. Punk with dogged determination withstood all of Cena's best shots and finally hit the Go 2 Sleep only for Cena to roll out of the ring. You get the fun chaos at the end and when the fracas ended it was Punk blowing a kiss to Vince hightailing it through his hometown crowd. I would need to watch the 2013 match again, but Im pretty sure I liked the work in that match more. However, this match just has so many extracurriculars to deny it the highest praise. (EDIT: Disagree, the front half is just not high enough quality to still call this *****) They worked a very novel match in front of a molten crowd with great commentary. (EDIT: I dont think it is that novel) It all culminated in a fantastic finish. (EDIT: Yep it did) I know I bitched about a couple things above, but this perfect confluence of match, opponents, crowd and finish overwhelm any minor complaints. (EDIT: I agree the wrestlers, story, crowd, and commentary bolster what would be otherwise just a great match into a classic, but this is not a ***** match like I thought. Both men were so stolid early on. I understood they were selling caution, but it felt very mechanical artificial. Once Punk kicked Cena in the head for five-knuckle shuffle the match kicked into high gear, but before that it felt bereft of emotion. The finish run was electric. Punk felt like he was letting it all hang out and Cena became his Everest. The extracurriculars with Vince and Johnny Ace were done perfectly. Still a classic, just not the greatest of all time) ****3/4
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Post by [Darren] on May 30, 2023 21:55:17 GMT -5
How are we feeling about this match in 2023?
I think that match is still fun, and still one of the most fascinating & important moments in recent history. But, I just can’t bring myself to call it one of the greatest matches ever, yet I love watching it & still fills me with great joy.
Kind of an anomaly, this match.
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Post by elliott on May 30, 2023 22:47:00 GMT -5
How are we feeling about this match in 2023?
I think that match is still fun, and still one of the most fascinating & important moments in recent history. But, I just can’t bring myself to call it one of the greatest matches ever, yet I love watching it & still fills me with great joy. Kind of an anomaly, this match. Can't say I've thought about it in years & while I have fond memories of this matchup, when I think of it, I find myself thinking of the piledriver match first oddly enough. Not saying the piledriver match is better, it's just clearer in my mind. I will revisit this at some point soon.
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Post by [Darren] on May 31, 2023 6:14:17 GMT -5
I do think the piledriver match is better.
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Post by tetsujin on Sept 16, 2023 17:17:04 GMT -5
Rewatched this recently for the first time in five or so years. Man, what a piece of art. When it comes to true GREATNESS, what's better than this? There are not so many other matches that manage to combine ringwork, crowd atmosphere, storyline and historical value in such a phenomenal way. It ages like good wine.
I will definitely vote for it super highly next time. Yeah, let's go for it: *****.
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