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Post by Cap on Apr 1, 2020 10:14:54 GMT -5
Its just around the corner. I kinda keep forgetting about it, but I am actually a little excited. I think there is going to be a lot of trash, but with everyone under new stresses and the amount of talent that company is working with, I am expecting at least one or two gems to emerge, maybe even something that is sort of singular and awesome.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 1, 2020 19:47:48 GMT -5
I shouldn't be surprised that this show is still happening because Vince is a certifiable maniac, but I am. Not just because they had to pull out of a stadium show, but with how many folks have had to pull out as well. Still, Vince McMahon and all.
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Post by elliott on Apr 1, 2020 21:38:23 GMT -5
Im surprised its not in an empty stadium.
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Post by Cap on Apr 5, 2020 9:45:56 GMT -5
I actually think night 1 was better than it had any business being. There were at least 4 legit good matches in there (Bryan/Zayn, Shayna/Becky, Rollins/KO, and Taker/Styles). Its impossible to tell how good any of these really were, but I really think people will be over-analyzing them for a long time to come. They will be referenced to prove points about who is and isn't good and all kinds of other things. I am not sure any of that is going to be fair, but I did enjoy night one more than I thought I would.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 5, 2020 10:54:10 GMT -5
I only really caught Becky-Shayna, Bliss/Cross-Kabuki Warriors, the No DQ part of Rollins-Owens, Goldberg-Braun and the main. They were all pretty good (except Braun-Goldberg which really wasn't going to be anything more than what it was) and honestly I think the condensed, edited format really worked in the show's favor.
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Post by Cap on Apr 5, 2020 12:00:35 GMT -5
Agreed.
I enjoyed Goldberg vs Braun if for no other reason to see Goldberg get more or less squashed. I wish it was Reigns, but it was 100% the right decision to switch it up so Reigns can protect himself.
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Post by elliott on Apr 6, 2020 0:21:09 GMT -5
Night 2 not as fun.
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Post by Cap on Apr 6, 2020 10:01:11 GMT -5
It was more up and down, higher highs and lower lows for me.
Highs
The Firefly Funhouse match was incredible. It wasn't a match to me, but it was perhaps an all timer of a segment (a distinction that will perhaps be tougher to make in the distant future of cinematic matches continue to gain traction. This isn't news. I've seen similar takes all over, but the deconstruction of Cena's career as ace, as well as the he WWE's dominant historical narrative of him... all while pushing bray's character into some new territory was really sort of brilliant to me. This didn't insult the audience's intelligence and that is one of my biggest pet peeves about the wwe.
Charlotte vs Ripley was probably the best MATCH of the weekend to me. Really great stuff bell to bell. I sort of wish Ripley won, but it didn't take anything from the match for me.
I think overall the Last Man Standing match was a "high" for night two. It could have been 10 minutes shorter at least, but I thought they made a lot of a weird and bad situation. It will be interesting to see what Gargano and Ciampa do by comparison in a similar situation this week. We might come away thinking Edge/Orton looked great juxtaposed to them, or the opposite. It wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it.
I didn't care about the match much, but the Bayley/Sasha angle in their match was well done.
Lows
More matches I just didn't care about and more duds tonight. The tag title match, Black/Lashley, and Otis/Ziggler were all skippable for me.
Drew's win should have felt bigger and I am really happy for him, but running the exact same match but just a little better that they ran last night took some luster off this for me.
Because of the nothing matches and the length of the LMS and the NXT women's title matches this night felt like it drug on longer. Night 1 sort of skipped by pretty easily. Night two, not as much.
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Post by elliott on Apr 6, 2020 15:55:52 GMT -5
I watched with my roommate who last watched wrestling when she was like 11. She was a big fan of Rikishi back then, we watched the Andre the Giant HBO doc together recently (she loved it and wants to watch it again) and she LOVES the GLOW TV show. She barely remembered Edge (he looked hot back then...now he's just old). She didn't even know Goldberg. Didn't know Ric Flair ("Why do they keep Woo-ing? Charlotte really likes to do the chops" etc). At one point asked "How do you even become a wrestler? Are there like regional tournaments?" So it would be a stretch to even call her a lapsed casual fan. The last Mania I watched live was 32.
But with stay at home orders and the end of netflix reached like two weeks ago, we decided to watch. It was pretty fun in that context. We were looking for camp more than anything else. To say we didn't know anything about the storylines would be an understatement. I haven't seen a single Bray as the Fiend match or segment ever for example. Haven't seen most of the people on the card. But its Covid19-Mania so fuck it right?
Night 1 we had a lot of fun.
Kabuki Warriors had us at first rolling are eyes like "Kabuki Warriors...are they fucking serious" but my roommate pointed out that they had a lot of stage presence and felt professional (compared to what the divas were when she was a kid). Their costumes in particular are fantastic. We liked Alexa Bliss as like if Margot Robbie was born prematurely and had a meth addiction. Nikki Cross was the most business exposing wrestler of the night for my roommate, but we had a lot of fun making fun of her and the "Naughty Nikki" name.
Elias vs King Corbin sucked but we pretended as though it was a gay lumberjack vs white supremacist.
We really liked Becky vs Baszler. Roommate loved Shayna Baszler. Probably her favorite individual wrestler.
Bryan vs Sami Zayn got over huge in our living room. Especially Zayn's stalling tactics. Roommate was pissed, and it got her heavily invested. She also loved Shinsuke Nakamura's look.
Ladder match I would have hated in any other circumstance, but was fun in this setting. Roommate loved Kofi, liked John, hated Jimmy and then turned around and really liked Jimmy. The Kofi eye-poke spot was our favorite spot of the night up to this point. I'll point out here that my roommate thought everyone's name was stupid. "Daniel, John, Jimmy, Corbin. They can come up with any names and this is what they pick?" Even better was the next match...
Kevin Owens vs Seth Rollins I knew I was going to hate because I have never seen either guy in a singles match that I didn't hate. So I made dinner and listened to my roommate shit all over the match. She thought it was boring and it dragged and their names being Kevin & Seth was stupid.
Braun vs Goldberg was over so quick I don't think she looked up from her phone other than to say OMG at Braun's size.
Boneyard match brought us all the way back in. We were both going absolutely crazy for it. At first I thought it was going to be the dumbest thing ever. I initially hated the cinematic aesthetic but pretty quickly realized what I was seeing was amazing. We both agreed they should get an EMMY.
Overall night 1 we had a blast. The undercard was really fun and moved around quickly. We both agreed the silence was fucking weird. Roommate thought they should add in fake crowd noise or music. But overall we really liked it. Boneyard was so great it made up for Kevin & Seth which was the only true stinker.
Night 2 was more of a mixed bag. We were fucking HYPED at the start. Charlotte vs Rhea Ripley was an awesome match. We were both super into it. Roommate was blown away by some of the stiff shots and was genuinely concerned for Ripley's leg. 6:24 PST my adult roommate said out-loud while watching WrestleMania in 2020 "That one was real. You can't fake that." And I was delighted. We both thought this was the best match of either night excluding the Boneyard match.
Aleister Black vs Lashley had no chance of following the opener. "At least they're big giant muscley dudes" said roommate. Yall...WWE might know what they're doing? Its eye-opening to watch this stuff with an extreme casual fan. Speaking of...
Otis vs Dolph was a legit hit in our living room. Otis got over as a sympathetic figure and roommate wanted to see Dolph destroyed. The post match got legit living room applause. She HATED Dolph.
And you know how just a second ago I was like "Maybe WWE knows what they're doing" well the Edge vs Orton pre-match video package ALSO got over huge. Roommate was super invested. She hated Randy Orton from the video package. I mean legit heel heat. "This guy is the biggest asshole ever and I want to see him get killed" heel heat.
And then those two went out and absolutely killed the entire 2 nights. We hated this. I did my best both nights not to try and influence her. Like I knew Kevin Owens vs Seth Rollins was gonna suck when I saw it listed, but I didn't want to tell her "These dudes are the fucking worst." If she liked them, then that would be great. But she hated Kevin & Seth. But BOY did she ever hate Edge vs Orton. I was in making & eating dinner mode during this match and kept quiet while roommate watched mostly silently. Finally she just yelled "IS THIS SHIT EVER GOING TO END?" We were barely halfway through the match. Hated it so much. We spent the 2nd half screaming at the TV for them to finish. According to wikipedia, that match was 36+ minutes and it felt like 200 years. How the same company can have a night like night 1 and then follow it up with this is beyond belief.
Street Profits vs Austin & Angel. Roommate immediately liked this more than Edge vs Orton. Saying about the Street Profits "Now these guys, these guys are actually good wrestlers" (she was comparing them to Edge & Orton horror show) and noted their athleticism, teamwork and "synchronization."
Women's 5 way really dragged and was too predictable. My only attempted influence of the night was to make roommate cheer for Sasha Banks. Roommate struggled to maintain interest honestly.
Firefly Fun House did not work for us on any level and killed whatever interest roommate had left. She thought the Fiend was like a bush-league cheap Joker spoof. She hasn't been watching for forever so she doesn't know about John Cena's rookie year or his rapper phase or his match with Bray Wyatt from 5 years ago. She has no idea who Husky Harris is. Way to self referential and weird for the sake of weird. She got up and quit watching about halfway through and never came back.
Mixed bag. I would say I liked it all overall. Night 1 was awesome. The Boneyard match unforgettable. Charlotte vs Rhea Ripley was a genuine MOTYC type match but night 2 was a disappointment after that. Edge vs Orton was as bad as that Fujita/Shiozaki match where they just stared at each other. Two of the worst matches in history. Unfortunately for WWE, a lot more people watched Edge/Orton. Honestly, if Charlotte vs Ripley had replaced Seth vs Kevin on night 1 and my roommate & I only watched Night 1, we'd probably watch a few more shows. Instead she texted me earlier and asked if there are any Andre the Giant matches on the network. Yes. Yes I believe there are.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 6, 2020 18:26:39 GMT -5
Charlotte making Rhea submit is like reign of terror Triple H stuff.
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Post by elliott on Apr 6, 2020 19:19:59 GMT -5
Great match though
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