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Post by elliott on Apr 27, 2020 5:32:54 GMT -5
I watched all of this (including the post match that flows into Sabu vs Taz and then Taz vs Douglas) for like the 20th time in my life. I don't know what to do with this but it holds up and is the best ECW shit ever.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Apr 27, 2020 20:07:41 GMT -5
Once I finish All Japan 1994 (just finished 1993 and four matches in 1994), I will watch this and a bunch of ECW as a palate cleanser. I have seen a bunch of Raven vs Dreamer stuff from 95. Anything I need to see from 1996 or from early 97? I know this is the last match before Raven leaves for WCW and I think I have seen it before but I want to watch the whole thing.
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Post by elliott on Apr 28, 2020 3:35:33 GMT -5
Context is a tricky thing with Raven vs Dreamer. You need to know the history to really appreciate how great this blow off angle is...but at the same time this was an interminable feud. Tommy Dreamer might be my least favorite wrestler/character ever. When I was watching all that 90s Terry Funk stuff, the real lowpoints where stuff involving Dreamer & Raven.
Terry Funk & Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven & Brian Lee (ECW 2/21/97) Terry Funk & Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven & Shane Douglas (TV 4/5/97) Terry Funk & Tommy Dreamer vs Raven & Stevie Richards (ECW 5/17/97)
Of the stuff I watched recently, those were the ones from the Dreamer & Raven feud. The 2/21 and 5/17 matches I had not very nice things to say about. But I liked 4/5 a lot, but Dreamer's not good in it.
The WrestlePalooza match is real lightning in a bottle type stuff, but more than the match itself its the post-match angle that makes it all a truly memorable moment.
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Post by superstarsleeze on May 30, 2020 21:48:44 GMT -5
Oh I am aware that Tommy Dreamer sucks. He actually sucks worse as a character/promo than he does as a wrestler, which he is mediocre at. I had seen the match before because it made a WWE Comp but they cut out all the good stuff with RVD/Sabu/Lawler. This is fucking epic. Heyman blew his wad in 1995 creatively but every once in a while after that he would have sparks but this was a thunderstorm of a good time. Best one hour episode of pro wrestling TV maybe ever. I agree this is really hard to fit into our project. I think Sabu vs Taz is just as good as Raven vs Dreamer but they become better together, you know what I mean. I had the whole thing ranked #12 in my Best of ECW rankings I just released so I am not planning on ranking it (spoiler: nothing from ECW makes my Top 100 overall, but that doesnt mean it was not fun as fuck going back and revisiting the colorful characters and the outrageous angles!). Maybe I should make a separate thread for Sabu vs Taz? I dont know.
Raven vs Tommy Dreamer - ECW Wrestlepalooza 1997
If you’ve never seen this before, do yourself a favor and watch this. Don’t watch the edited WWE version like I did on a WWE DVD. Watch June 10, 1997 episode of Hardcore TV on the Network devoted to this entire piece of fluid awesome TV. Heyman have a brief return to the peak of his powers after they had been slowly diminishing since 1995.
I have seen this before on a WWE DVD so I was familiar with Lupus and Chasity. They came out at the Buffalo Tag about a month prior with Richards vs Dreamer & Funk. Joey didn’t know their names. So it sounds like they didn’t have backstories. Their sole reason to exist was to replicate spots from the first Raven vs Dreamer match from over two years ago. Chasity did the hairspray gimmick and had a take catfight with Beulah nothing like the shit Francine and Beulah were doing in 1995. I remember Chasity in WCW as Raven’s sister and managing Hak aka Sandman. I can’t believe fucking Sandman and Whipwreck made it to WCW. I don’t know what happened to Lupus?
Pretty good Raven vs Dreamer brawl. The Mutants Chanting “We Can’t See Shit” during the Arena brawling is reason #69 Arena brawling sucks. As far as Arena brawling goes this was above average some good table spots and a couple crazy times the table didn’t break.
i thought this picked up in the ring. Raven does the drop toehold onto chair which is how he blinded Riggs and made him join the Flock, one of the first wrestling angles I vividly remember. The Rocket Launcher that crumpled the chair was insane. After that there was so much tomfoolery and DDTs that I can’t remember the order but Louie Spicolli got involved. I’ll leave who won as a surprise because the heat on the nearfalls was insane because the pinfall mattered so much. ****
lights out in the Impact Zone, it’s Sting up in the rafters...lol...sorry had too...RVD smoking Dreamer with the Van Daminator. Perfect booking. Dreamer, spirit of ECW, against the traitors RVD& Sabu and the invader Jerry Lawler. Amazing angle I had never seen before wicked entertaining.
After all had failed it’s Taz that clears the ring by his presence. He wants Sabu. Fonzie bitches and Taz is about to duplex him and the match is on.
Sabu vs Taz - Wrestlepalooza 1997
Put me in the camp that liked this best than Barely Legal. Sabu had so much more energy, spring in his step, clean on his spots and good punches. He worked more on top and made Taz earn it. Sabu purposefully missing the Triple Jump Moonsault and crotching himself is peak heel Sabu. This was the Sabu I know and love. Taz missing a Somersault LegDrop from the top was a great missed spot. Sabu hit a wicked Twisted Bliss through the table for two. I didn’t love Taz pop up no sell Tazmission. Sabu does a version of Survivor Series 96 finish pinning Taz while in the move. I think this is my favorite Taz match ever. ****
ECW World TV Champion Shane Douglas vs Taz - ECW Wrestlepalooza 1997
Taz while pinned was not beat and so he unleashed his Path of Rage choking out hapless refs because this is his first loss since November 2 Remember, Goldberg before Goldberg. So Shane Douglas of all people tells Taz to scram. They make a wager. If Taz can choke out Douglas in 3 minutes or less then he wins the TV title. If he can’t Taz has to leave ECW for 45 Days. Douglas works the neck well hits these cool innovative snaps someone should steal. Tazmission of course and Taz wins! The Path of Rage continues and the Monster Babyface Push is fucking on! Great booking here as Douglas did all he could with the TV belt with Raven, Richards gone and Funk just being plain old. It was down to Douglas, Sandman or Sabu to get the belt back and Douglas made the most sense so he needed to drop the TV belt. Doing a Warrior like quick win over Honky Tonk Man here was great put Taz over strong and also gives Douglas a reason once he becomes World Champ to be scared of Taz and duck him. It also gave Taz his heat right back after the loss to Sabu and I like booking that loss as it gives something for Sabu to hang his hat on. Maybe the best one hour TV wrestling show ever! That covers a lot of ground but Paul e at his best!
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Post by violentbydesign on Jun 8, 2020 12:26:21 GMT -5
If this is the match where Raven is about to leave ECW and Dreamer yells out "ECW!!!" when he DDT's him and then like 20 minutes of nonsense happen after the match - then yeah, this match was really great. Saw it for the first time a few months ago, and glad to see someone brought it up.
Assuming this is the match, I'll also nominate it (if I'm allowed, I'm new to the board).
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