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Post by elliott on Dec 11, 2017 4:30:26 GMT -5
Vader vs Sting (World Heavyweight Title - WCW Starrcade - 12/28/1992)
Last time I watched all of these matches this one stood out as my favorite one. Even above the strap match. They're all great and I could imagine people preferring them in any and every order. All of them deserve consideration for the list.
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Post by Cap on Dec 11, 2017 8:17:44 GMT -5
Second
I can see people liking this match more than the strap. I think they all deserve consideration. I honestly think these two were made for one another, which kind of seems odd given all of the high end opponents Vader had in Japan. Sting was a big flashy face that was tough and could take a beating from Vader. He really brought the best out in Vader in America.
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Post by El Mckell on Jan 14, 2018 9:57:09 GMT -5
This was my favorite of the trilogy when last watched all of 'em and it was as good as I remembered watching it today, it's going on my list. Vader is the scariest wrestler ever. Both guys do an incredible job emoting in this match. Also I don't know if we're supposed to factor in commentary in this but I am to some extent and this is a wonderful performance from JR and Jesse.
****3/4 Thirded
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Post by twfi on Jan 15, 2018 3:51:37 GMT -5
Another voter here regarding this match as the best in Sting vs. Vader. I think to the rope a dope strategy of Sting trying to tire the big man.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Jul 29, 2018 18:35:43 GMT -5
This went from being my favorite to being my least favorite of the trilogy but it will still make it. Amazing rope dope narrative.
Sting vs Vader - WCW Starrcade 1992
"That's got to be depressing as hell when you do the move and the other guy's up first" - Jesse Ventura, Vader covers on after a Sting Suplex.
There was a period of time when this was my favorite match of all time and still is one I will just give it a spin when I need a pick me up. A couple years ago, one of my cousins (11-12 years old at the time) was getting feisty about whether pro wrestling was real and was on the verge of ruining it for my younger cousin. I played this match and he was totally hooked all over again and thought Vader was the toughest badass to ever walk the planet. He still talks about Vader to this day. I love this match.
It is almost the ideal David vs Goliath match with Sting giving his career performance in this match.From there the very beginning, he conveys the daunting task that stands before him. He is not going to cower, but he also realizes the gravity of the situation. When he tries to unload with punches early and Vader shouts back the classic "NO PAIN!" "NO PAIN!", I still get chills. Unlike the Great American Bash, there is no hot start for Sting. Vader is going to bulldoze him and throw him around at will. Sting tries to run at him and is that awesome Vader body attack. It is one of my favorite spots in wrestling. Vader takes a page out of Akira Taue's book and Vader drops him throat first across the ring ropes. Sting starts to stick and move. He avoids the clotheslines and hits a Kappo Kick, jumping Kawada kick! Vader was really good at selling the missed clotheslines and the beautiful German suplex and making it believable. They both spill to the outside and the crowd is rocking! Vader takes off the match and starts swearing. The front row loves this and gets on his case. Sting comes flying over the top to crash down on Harley and Vader.
This brings me to my favorite part of this match and that was Sting's strategy. Jim Ross starts off the broadcast explaining Sting was going to try extend the big man and fatigue him. Jesse pointed out if the victory presents itself you got to take it. Sting amalgamates both points into a perfectly wrestled match. When the opportunity was present after the Kappo Kick, he was absolutely suffocating Vader. It was a full court press, giving Vader minimal time to recover. Sting simply would not be denied as he fought through Vader's counters to hit DDTs and apply the Scorpion Deathlock. It was only Vader's size that saved him from a quick exit. It is crucial how urgent Sting's actions are because it sets up the big turning point. He goes for the Stinger Splash on the railing and eats steel. Now that full court press has backfired and Vader smells blood. What follows may be one of the greatest exhibitions of selling in wrestling history as Sting was just so on point with modulating selling throughout the rest of the match.
Vader dominates Stinger, but not all the credit can go Sting's way. The fact that Vader was selling the effects of Sting's offense allowed for the comeback to make more sense. Vader was beating the shit out of Sting with clotehslines, strikes and splashes, but Vader was not staying on Sting as well he should have because he was recovering from the attack. Sting looked resilient and the finish was not jeopardized by overkill in the heat segment. I loved Vader being overzealous on a pinfall after a splash that basically pulled Sting's shoulders off the mat. My favorite moment of the match and my favorite Ventura call (quoted above) was Sting finally gets a suplex, but it takes so much out of him that Vader is able to cover him. That is a totally ingenious spot! Sting now executes the second part of his strategy as he retreats to a corner and puts his arms up to block. Vader is throwing heavy blows, but is not landing as much damage. This whole segment is so dramatic. You can actually see the shift in Vader and Sting. Vader is being sapped of his power and Sting becomes emboldened as Vader no longer has much behind his punch. Now Sting is punching Vader in the face. He has him rocking! He has him reeling! He knocked him down! Samoan Drop! FLYING STINGER SPLASH! 1-2-NO! Can David do it? Harley is nervous for his investment and tries to buy time for his charge. It works as Vader clobbers Sting from behind. Damn, it was a good run. Vader splashes Sting from the middle rope, but he bounces off instead of hooking a pinfall. Vader is beside himself. He goes again, but this time from the top and Sting is able to catch him with a slam and cradle to win!
Sting wrestled the match of his life. His offensive strategy was pitch perfect as discussed and his selling was even better. At beginning, he sells the enormity of the task, in the middle he sells the beating, but he is still defending himself. Then as he is staggering around with his arms up trying to drain Vader was absolutely perfect. Then when the moment was right he mounted an electric comeback. Vader was no slouch himself and was timing his offense perfectly for great damage, but also to make a Sting comeback credible. My slight qualm that keeps this from the tippy top is that the finish is clearly just Vader doing a flying somersault. It takes a bit of steam out of the match, but still one of the best matches in the history of pro wrestling. ****3/4
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Post by nintendologic on Sept 15, 2019 16:23:35 GMT -5
A minor correction: this wasn't for the WCW title, as Ron Simmons was champion at the time. They're competing for a far richer prize: the prestigious King of Cable trophy.
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Post by elliott on Sept 15, 2019 17:29:04 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the quality of the match or just bored and working your proof reader gimmick?
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Post by nintendologic on Sept 15, 2019 18:12:52 GMT -5
I'm far more interested these days in unearthing and highlighting hidden gems than in discussing matches that are already well-known, but this is a desert island match for me. It's about as close to a perfect babyface ace vs. monster heel slugfest as you can get in my book.
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Post by puroraisedme on Oct 8, 2023 3:29:56 GMT -5
Incredible match, easily my favorite of the big 3 that they had. Commentary was impeccable during this match too. Really loved Sting's trying to tire out Vader with the rope a dope strategy.
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Post by [Darren] on Oct 8, 2023 6:40:46 GMT -5
Best one of the 3.
Milkywaychamp said it best somewhere else. Sure Rocky 1 is an Oscar winner but you don’t ever wanna watch it… you put on Rocky IV.
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