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Post by [Darren] on Nov 27, 2021 18:36:35 GMT -5
The defiant finger has been done a lot and it depends on the situation in whether or not I love or hate it. Any trope or cliche can be good or bad based on context and execution. Much like my #2 MOTY Bryan/Suzuki the Fighting Spirit was over kill but it didn’t matter and only enhanced.
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Post by elliott on Nov 27, 2021 18:39:13 GMT -5
Upon revisiting the match, two of Kingston's middle fingers were gestures of defiance after absorbing Punk's offense. They were basically fighting spirit spots. The third was a direct response to a middle finger from Punk. The fourth was a precursor to a punch flurry with Punk on the top turnbuckle. Each one made sense in the context of the match. Even if you think one or two should have been done away with, we're talking about something that lasts a second or less. It's hardly something to get worked up over. As for tribute spots, in addition to the three amigos which has been discussed ad nauseam, there was the Cena spot from Punk and the Frye/Takayama spot. The former was done to get Punk over as a subtle heel and emphasize that he had become what he had formerly railed against. Like I said in the rewatching thread, the latter spot is always going to be somewhat performative, but it felt as organic as it can possibly be here as both men were going for the knockout blow because they felt their opponent was on the ropes. None of them struck me as overly cooperative. They were only cooperative in the sense that every pro wrestling spot is cooperative. No one is getting worked up over anything. Its wrestling dude.
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Post by [Darren] on Nov 27, 2021 18:43:35 GMT -5
I understand focusing only on what happens in the ring from bell-to-bell and preferring the Danielson/Kingston match but this thing is so perfect. I like when things are compact yet complete. I give extra points for shorter matches that still feel satisfying.
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Post by elliott on Nov 27, 2021 18:58:00 GMT -5
I appreciated that aboout both Punk vs Kingston & Danielson vs Kingston. Neither over stayed their welcome.
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Post by makaiclub on Dec 14, 2021 17:06:46 GMT -5
God this was desperately needed. This PPV was putting my whole wrestling fandom into question with it’s list of overly long but mediocre matches. This was short, brief and absolutely amazing. Kingston can look sluggish but he more than makes up for it with his selling. And selling in terms of reacting to what Punk does. The little smiles and mannerisms he does was magic. Punk’s offence was intense and full of fire. The brawling aspects of this were great - with blood drawn - and it all built up superbly to a finish. Simple yet great. Thank god for CM Punk’s return. ***3/4
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Post by KB8 on Apr 29, 2022 17:47:44 GMT -5
Phenomenal on first watch, more phenomenal on second watch. It's another one that lands even better after seeing the build up (which was short, but that in-ring segment was incredible and they really didn't need a whole lot more after that). This was basically a street fight from the jump, but not a pro wrestling street fight with your kendo sticks and ladders; a street fight between two guys who want to punch a hole in the other's face, which is really the best kind of street fight, the kind that spills from a bar or a supermarket or boxing gym into the middle of the road. Eddie walloping Punk with the back fist as Remsburg tries to separate them was an amazing way to start it, and Punk's lights on but nobody's home selling was spectacular. When he flips Eddie the bird before even standing back up you have a pretty good idea of what this is going to be like.
I thought both guys were tremendous, for similar reasons in the broad strokes sense - selling, timing, all of that - but also for how they took pretty different character paths as the match went along. This might've been the first time Punk got audibly booed since coming into AEW, and I guess it's a look at how things might go whenever the Page feud really picks up. Both of them were babyfaces and Kingston has about as much of a die hard following as Punk at this point, but even if Punk expected the crowd to be split going in he obviously rolled with some of the punches here. It was noticeable in his previous AEW matches as well, where he was clearly going with the flow and tapping into what the crowd were after. In the Sydal match it was playing up the body slam, and there was no way he could've expected that crowd to be rabid enough for a fucking body slam that he planned it beforehand. It was improv and it was brilliant. When he jumped on a near-lifeless Kingston and started clubbing him about the head I don't think he expected the crowd to side so completely with Eddie, especially considering they never showed much displeasure earlier when Kingston was trying to rip Punk's ear off or bite a chunk out his head. That moment in particular didn't seem to precipitate a change in Punk weather vane, because there were points earlier where he leaned into the idea that he wasn't the hero in this tale, but if nothing else it was a culmination of things. Those things being the tease of the five-knuckle shuffle, the pause and grin as he acknowledged the boos while blood streamed down his face, and my favourite bit, the three amigos while the crowd chanted Eddie. The latter might've been something they did plan, as the PPV fell on the anniversary of Eddie Guerrero's death, but he knew those Eddie chants were for Kingston and he decided to do the Guerrero spot THEN and I don't think anybody needs to worry about him getting heat whenever they properly turn him heel.
Kingston was phenomenal again. There's a realness about Eddie that almost no other wrestler can capture. He's raw in a way that not even Punk is, and after the Players' Tribune article he's relatable in a way that almost nobody is. Not necessarily in the sense that most of us can relate to wrestling on indie shows for fifteen bucks a night, more that we can relate to the broader struggle and sentiment that he conveyed so perfectly in that article. It's difficult not to want that man to succeed, and Punk WAS kind of a dickhead to him on Dynamite. Eddie captured every bit of that rawness in his performance and the crowd were going to live and die with him. Plus he tapped into that lunatic vein of his and tried to send Punk to the hospital, which at the end of the day is what we came for. Wiping Punk's blood over his own face like war paint, the mocking GTS call followed by the "what a jack off" gesture (legitimately one of the greatest moments in the history of our sport, btw), his unbelievable selling, just everything he did from the second he walked onto the ramp. This also might've had the best Frye/Takayama spot since the actual Don Frye and Yoshihiro Takayama were whomping each other in the face and I pray to the old gods and the new that we get this match up again in 2022. And incredible bitta wrestling.
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Post by [Darren] on Apr 30, 2022 13:17:23 GMT -5
As glowing as I was in my assessment of this match, it only keeps growing. I have few that make me feel what this match does. I’m talking Top 10 all-time.
A handful of matches make me truly feel but nothing has ever made me feel what that match does.
I plan on rewatching soon. I have to hype myself up because it makes me so anxious because of how many layers thus thing has in such a compact package.
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Post by [Darren] on Mar 15, 2023 11:09:41 GMT -5
I want to bump this match because I think it’s that good.
This match is only helped by watching Joe v. Necro before or after. Hearing Punk and Eddie on commentary in that match kinda highlight the differences I was talking about in my assessment of this match. Eddie always comes off as the genuine article and Punk comes off as an imitation of the genuine article. He is trying sound both smart and irreverent. Punk is trying so hard to get his Rob Naylor line across because it gets no-sold.
That’s this match. Punk is a try-hard prick in buildup, the execution and aftermath.
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Post by [Darren] on Mar 15, 2023 11:12:09 GMT -5
God this was desperately needed. This PPV was putting my whole wrestling fandom into question with it’s list of overly long but mediocre matches. This was short, brief and absolutely amazing. Kingston can look sluggish but he more than makes up for it with his selling. And selling in terms of reacting to what Punk does. The little smiles and mannerisms he does was magic. Punk’s offence was intense and full of fire. The brawling aspects of this were great - with blood drawn - and it all built up superbly to a finish. Simple yet great. Thank god for CM Punk’s return. ***3/4 Full Gear 2021 received too much praise from my Twitter community. Not bad, but not what I want out of wrestling. Especially a match like Darby v. MJF. Two guys I have a lot of time for. They went out and had the opposite of the match those two should put on. This match stood out so much from that card and only shines better with time.
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Post by lemming on Mar 15, 2023 13:58:29 GMT -5
Still my favourite AEW match!
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