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Post by fxnj on Jan 13, 2018 19:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by childs on Jan 17, 2018 20:22:12 GMT -5
Not a No. 1 candidate for me but a fantastic match in a fantastic year for Kobashi:
Brilliant match, one that always meets or surpasses my high expectations on rewatch. They escalated the action so intelligently. They'd wrestle evenly for a few minutes, then one guy would briefly seize the advantage, then they'd go back to plateau. But each plateau featured higher impact offense than the one before it, and each transition seemed to carry higher stakes than the previous. So they packed a ton into 34 minutes without the match ever feeling like overkill. The last five minutes took it to a whole other level. I always mark out for the spot where Kawada sort of juked Kobashi and nailed him with a kick to the mush while Kobashi was still wrong-footed. Then the crowd popped huge when Kawada did a Volk Han-style leaping submission attempt. Kobashi insisting that he win with the arm Kawada had wrecked was a perfectly Kobashi thing to do. Because he was who he was and because he sold it, the whole thing came off as a noble expression of character rather than lazy crap. Any month that has this and Tamura-Kohsaka is OK by me. We'll see by the end of '99 if this really was the last true classic from All Japan.
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Post by bossrock on Jan 20, 2018 20:10:54 GMT -5
There's a chance this doesn't make my list, but it's still a damn great match. It's always weird to see these guys do matwork in the early minutes, but they do a nice job escalating the violence. Kawada's selling in particular is awesome.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Jul 29, 2018 17:55:11 GMT -5
I remember liking this match when I saw it but not a whole lot more. Reading the review didn't trigger many memories.
All Japan Triple Crown Champion Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 6/12/98
Post got eaten, doing this in bullet form
-I always stop at 1/20/97 when watching AJPW so this is the first time watching this match
-Kawada is the ultimate choke artist. It is a great character dynamic
-Story of the match: Kawada opens a can of whoop ass, but again comes up short
-Early: opening matwork is more perfunctory to me than NJPW heavies. Past two matches were a one hour draw, I think this was to get fans thinking this would be a one hour draw
-Kawada's selling early was phenomenal. Loved how he crumbled on chop to neck and then knee to ab
-Kobashi looked like he was going to run away with the match early but some well timed kicks to the head and LARIATO by Kawada puts Kawada in the lead.
-Kawada is so vicious and such a dick in control. Kobashi selling and fighting from underneath is his bread and butter.
-Kobashi looks to turn the tide using a bomb.
-Why do people try to German Kawada? You are just asking for a kick to the head.
-Kobashi hits a half nelson suplex first headdrop and it is 17 minutes into the match.
-Kobashi looks for the moonsault. When he pumps the fist before the moonsault always makes me mark out.
-Kawada kicks him in the head as he is jumping off. Kawada really opens up a big lead.
-I love how everything is earned. Kobashi fight back less and less as Kawada is kicking more and more ass. Initially Kawada still needs to kick him in the head to cement his lead.
-Back Drop Driver - Kawada looks to have this in the bag. Powerbombs ensue and more kicks and now the Stretch Plum. Credit to them to getting a Kobashi chant started in the Stretch Plum, which has been killed off since like 93/94.
-It is about this point where you are like is Kawada actually going to be able to put Kobashi away?
-Kobashi is such an emotional babyface. Him crawling to the ropes while Kawada kicks him in the back of the head is gripping.
- The struggle over this Kawada power bomb is pro wrestling!
-Kawada drills Kobashi in the face with his that running high kick and Kobashi's glassy eye sell is incredible
-Kawada is running out of steam. Rope a dope? Kobashi catches foot -> dragon leg screw->LARIAT. Not the best Kobashi's lariat
-Big Kobashi chants! Kobashi trying to hulk up. If I was a Kawada fan, I would be like not again at this moment.
-MOONSAULT! KICK OUT! Kawada's selling is fantastic.
-Kobashi has been using that Lariat to control the match on his comeback so Kawada is attacking like he would Misawa's arm. Kobashi blocks high kick and hits a Lariat, but cant block second high kick to head. Levels playing field.
-Kawada drops into an arm scissors in to a cross-armbreaker, big reaction. This would be a huge coup for Kawada to stave off Kobashi and his onslaught.
-Kawada is kicking him, but you can feel that he has run out of ideas and steam. Kobashi dives at him with a lariat, but it is bad arm and he is left writhing in pain. Kawada has hope, but not much left in the way of offense. He has his high kicks, but he needs Kobashi to make a mistake. KOBASHI LARIAT AGAIN!
-Kawada cant even stand as Kobashi holds him up by the hair and BURNING LARIAT~! Count to three!
This match reminds me of the Federer vs Roddick Wimbledon final that went on forever with Roddick in the Kawada role and Federer in the Kobashi role. Roddick only had his serve and he was just delaying the inevitable. He would win his serve, but he was so tired, he was barley putting a dent into Fed's service games. Federer is the superior all around player and eventually won. Kawada was delaying the inevitable. By 1995, Baba had positioned Kobashi as Kawada's equal with the one hour draw and subsequently in 1996. Misawa was the best, but these two were 2a and 2b. Here Kobashi finally begins to turn the tide. Kawada was just outgunned in this match. He had his chances and opened up a big lead, but he didn't have the firepower to put away the best offensive wrestler in history. You could go as far as to say that Kawada was so hyped for the Dome match with Misawa where he came out guns blazing that he was going to have a let down and the fact he was facing Kobashi means he couldn't afford that. Kobashi was amazing in this match from selling to offense. This did not feel quite up there with the tippy top best of All Japan, but definitely an awesome match. ****1/2
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Post by jetlag on May 3, 2019 3:24:22 GMT -5
The opening matwork may have been filler, but I still prefer these guys working amateur exchanges and fighting for armlocks over the usual sprint opening. This was, once again, a long, solid match, which I easily enjoyed more than any long AJPW match up to this point (in 1998). The fighting spirit/no selling shit was also less prevalent. Enjoyed how Kobashi controlled early on with nasty neck cranks etc only for Kawada to start slowly getting the better and using him as a kicking bag. Lots of violent neck chops and boots to the face ensue. They dish out some insane punishment, to the point where the finishing run came across as chaotic messy. Once again I thought the match should've ended like 5-10 minutes earlier, but there was nothing egregious about it. Both guys had some crazy selling. Kawada doing his stumbling around then hit a kick to the face is like the only guy who can do that. So yeah, long, excellently worked, crazy crazy match. I don't mind there being not an epic story, but I thought the match inevitably lacked urgency as opposed to Hashimoto/Fujinami.
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Post by bossrock on May 6, 2019 8:57:50 GMT -5
This originally did not make my list and I originally argued the 10/23/1993 match was the best Kawada-Kobashi encounter. But after a re-watch, not only do I think that is no longer true but this would have made my list had I watched it again before the deadline. The one thing I think sets this match apart from other King's Road-era matches is how instead of a steady progression of escalating moves, there are far more unexpected twists and turns. The amount of counters near the finishing stretch clearly influenced the current NJPW main event style, and I mean that in the best possible way. Just when you think Kobashi has finally mounted the comeback that will secure him victory, Kawada will throw in another kick out of nowhere or even pull out an armbar! Just a tremendous amount of drama and urgency over the course of a 30+ minute match. I also think Kawada's more subtle character work meshed as a perfect contrast to Kobashi's more theatrical tendencies.
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Post by fxnj on May 7, 2019 3:32:17 GMT -5
I definitely don’t agree on the match lacking urgency. Something I tried to get across in my PWO review was how well the end stretch was structured with getting across Kobashi’s lariat as a simple but effective move he could pull out at any moment to turn the tide in his favor and deal serious damage to Kawada. The match kind of breaks with the usual stylistic convention of guys going for bigger and more complex throws in the end stretch, with Kobashi instead dialing his move set back to focus on just hitting the lariat as that seems his best shot at capitalizing on Kawada tiring himself out. It really seems like Kobashi having the move in his repertoire and knowing how to use it makes the difference compared to their earlier matches.
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Post by fxnj on Dec 28, 2020 4:32:44 GMT -5
Maybe I've just seen this so many times that I can over-analyze any little detail, but Kawada's arm bar near-fall and its positioning in the match really hit me on this viewing. Sure, they do a nice job of building to it and its neat how the crowd buys into it, but I think there's a bit more to it. Firstly, there's the symbolism there of this being Kawada's big shot to prove himself as the new ace and him going for that move of all things as his last-ditch effort to stave off Kobashi. Really felt meaningful given Kawada's history with wanting to do a UWFi vs. AJPW matches. There's also the execution of it, where Kawada really doesn't seem to be much lax on in his application at all. Usually I can see guys allowing a slight bend in the opponent's arm for safety, but there was none of that here and Kobashi sold it accordingly afterwards. Thought it was really cool that the big thing Kobashi was selling after the match was his arm of all things.
Another neat detail I noticed was Kobashi going for tiger suplex, one of Misawa's signature moves, and soon gets hit by one of Kawada's signature Misawa's when he goes for a flying move but gets hit with gamengiri. Something I noticed was they really didn't waste any of the throws. Every time they did a throw, it was a legit killer move like a half-nelson or powerbomb. Between that and the match being built around hella stiff strikes, you could make a solid case for this being AJPW's take on a shoot-style structure.
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Post by fxnj on Jul 15, 2023 0:04:05 GMT -5
I rewatched this for the first time in a few years and I think it might well be the greatest match I've ever seen. When I did my write-up back in 2018, I was fascinated by Kawada's seeming insistence on using this match to announce himself as a Misawa-esque ace by somewhat uncharacteristically refusing to target Kobashi's injured knee and Kobashi obliging by going for the classic Misawa weak spot of the neck on Kawada. This time, the subtle differences struck out to me in how much more effort Kawada puts into struggling out of moves in the early going where Misawa generally looks more comfortable on the defense, and in how quickly he tries to even the deficit by coming at Kobashi with some neck work of his own.
Another thing was just how masterfully it integrates elements from shoot fights and how it repurposes those elements for the match's sense of escalation and narrative. Not sure how I've underrated the opening matwork all this time, but it's actually really fucking cool and makes perfect sense that they'd initially focus on wear-down positioning holds given how their prior TC matches went the hour. Before, I praised Kawada grinding his forearm against Kobashi's ribs while Kobashi sat in turtle position, but Kawada also getting a leg hook in and Kobashi having to get past that to escape was a really cool detail that I didn't notice before. It reminded me of a similar spot in the Shamrock/Sano 1991 PWFG match. My favorite part of the opening matwork on this go-around, though was Kobashi trying to wrap his big meaty thighs around Kawada's head into a headscissors. I could feel a bit of a dynamic of Kawada's technique from his amateur wrestling days vs. Kobashi's size and power.
A thought I've been giving some time to recently is the idea that, counterintuitively, the best shoot fights have deeper narrative and storytelling than what you'll find in wrestling. You can spend all day watching a shoot fight in slow motion and going over the countless tactics in play and how they came together, but trying to take that approach in wrestling often quickly leads to you running into the wall of "it's cooperative, dummy." I'm not saying that this match holds up to the level of analysis you'd see on The Modern Martial Artist's Youtube channel, but it's a match that flows very logically and there's a lot to analyze the tactics in play. They go for shooty matwork to start, thinking they'll have a long match -> Kobashi takes the advantage due to his size/power and cranks Kawada's neck while in a headlock -> Kawada escalates things into a striking battle and eventually claws his way into control -> Kobashi, using tricks like fighting back tooth and nail on Kawada's big moves and hanging onto the ropes when Kawada unloads with kicks, successfully wears Kawada down -> Kawada survives many of Kobashi's big moves but is too exhausted to mount a Misawa-style comeback of his own and gets lariated into hell.
The match is full of all kinds of cool little tactical moments within it. Look for Kawada trying to roll out of the ring off a tiger suplex but getting caught in the ring ropes, how Kawada wears himself out from Kobashi's fighting back on the powerbomb attempts and his look of exhaustion after the first one, and Kawada at one point trying to get Kobashi into a muay thai clinch in the middle of the ring for some knees but Kobashi quickly backing into a corner to avoid it. Absolutely tremendous spot towards the end as well when Kawada nails Kobashi with a gamengiri but he uses the ropes and turnbuckles to keep himself up, then runs along the ropes to confuse Kawada before steamrolling him with a lariat. I usually try to avoid too much straight play-by-play, but there's just so many things that you aren't going to completely pick up on first viewing (or tenth, lol). Kobashi's early work on Kawada's body with the kicks and stepping on him initially just seem like neat spots, but they make a lot of sense in the context of the match when you understand his strategy of sapping Kawada's stamina. I really feel like you get the best of both worlds here in worked theatrics and drama that grab you on first viewing but then also shooty tactics that keep rewatches rewarding.
I think the main thing that grabbed me so hard with this match on my initial viewing was Kobashi's glassy eyed selling during the Kawada kick beatdown sections. I'd still say it's the best usage of that type of selling I've seen in a match, but the thing that's started to grab me even more since then has been Kawada's performance. There's such an incredible progression of exhaustion he shows during his control segment, which, combined with all the sweat dripping down him, makes me wonder how much of it is legit. It really struck me on this viewing just how helpless he seems when Kobashi is making his comeback. Even if he's still kicking out of stuff, he truly seems powerless to get up on his own, let alone dodge the massive lariats Kobashi is hurling at him. Yet he's too prideful to stop from trying to kick the shit out Kobashi even if he's too exhausted for any big throws or even a lariat of his own. And even then, he's not going to attack Kobashi's bad knee because it's not something his senpai would do in this position. It's his time to show that he can comeback like Misawa would and he just can't get it done, and that is so gripping for me. There's so much meaning behind every close-up of his face during the end stretch. Before, I'd always been taken in by Kobashi's likability and his announcement in the post-match of this as the beginning of a new era. Yet this time I found myself drawn towards the look of utter dejection Kawada has, seemingly towards himself, the one time the camera shows us his face after the match. And I couldn't help but feel for Kawada while I watched that post-match promo this time.
I also want to draw attention to Kawada's armbar counter and what a sheer feat it is that they actually made that into one of the most memorable near-falls of a 1998 AJPW big match. I've been watching some lesser heralded stuff lately while looking for hidden gems, and something that I've been astonished by is just how little fucks these late 90's AJPW crowds gave for submissions. Pretty much any time a guy goes for a submission it's almost a guaranteed heat killer. We even have a bit of that here when Kawada goes for the stretch plum, though I'd argue it works for getting across the futility of Kawada trying to put away Kobashi and how he's pretty much already lost the match by that point. When he goes for the armbar, though, the crowd is molten right up to Kobashi finally making it to the ropes. I could point to it as showing just how hot they'd made the overall match by that point, and it would probably be true, but I want to focus more on the execution of that move. This was a full on god damn shoot armbar that had to have hurt Kobashi like hell when it was over. Even knowing it wouldn't be the finish, I felt real drama in seeing Kobashi endure a hold like this on an arm that he'd one day require surgery on. I've seen a lot of improperly applied armbars passed off as near-falls or basic body part work in NJPW or US promotions, and it's always kind of cringe for me, so this really stood out to me in contrast to that.
Lastly, on the subject of medically ill-advised moments that added drama to the match, how about those fucking head drops. Everyone remembers the backdrop drivers Williams did on Kobashi in their 8/93 match, but the ones Kawada delivers here are right up there. I'm also not sure if it's sad or badass that we see Kikuchi watch at ringside without even flinching as Kawada eats a nasty half-nelson.
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Post by tetsujin on Jul 15, 2023 9:40:54 GMT -5
Beautiful review for a still kinda underrated match. Last time I watched it It almost made my top 100, and yes I believe this might be the best singles Kawada performance ever. Such a deep match.
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Post by microstatistics on Jul 15, 2023 18:11:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that's an impressive in-depth look. I rewatched this recently and would *only* give it ***1/2 but I do appreciate the way it was worked and the story they tried to tell.
Lovely amateur sequence --> Kobashi control segment --> Kawada fights for ascendency --> mini-Kobashi headdrop blitz --> Kawada dominates but fails to actually put Kobashi away --> Kobashi comeback and lariat-brigade powers through the arm injury and ends all-too-familiar tale for Kawada
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Post by elliott on Sept 17, 2023 17:58:02 GMT -5
Not a fan.
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Post by lemming on Nov 16, 2023 15:46:15 GMT -5
I voted for this at #63 this year.
This has always struck me as a match with a lot of depth, and fxnj has covered that expertly above. On the surface you've got the champion's skill vs the challenger's raw power dynamic going on. Kawada has a great range of strikes and counters that makes him come across as a worthy, resourceful champion, but Kobashi's physical gifts make him hard to put away.
Most of all though I think of this as the ultimate Kawada character piece (no wonder Elliott isn't a fan) and it may be his best singles performance. Even though he's still the de facto heel he operates more as a tragic hero here. He's *finally* beaten his rival and he's clearly determined to prove himself as the new Misawa-esque ace. But he just still isn't Misawa. He wrestles a much cleaner match than he normally would, not even targeting Kobashi's injured knee. Usually Kawada would be all over that injury, but Misawa wouldn't. And now he's champion he feels he must wrestle the Misawa way.
And of *course* he loses his first title defence. That's his character's destiny. He's spent half a decade chasing an opponent who was too gifted for him. And now he has finally prevailed, he finds his own time has already passed. A younger superstar has already bloomed, someone with that higher gear which Kawada always lacked. Kawada was eternally "Misawa's rival". He was never Misawa's *heir*. Confronted with the true heir now, he fights a worthy battle but ultimately he just can't hang down the finishing stretch, just like he couldn't with Misawa. Kobashi just has that little bit extra in the tank, and destiny is on the younger man's side.
Another thing I like is that this doesn't decend into a Dragonball style "who can hit the biggest super move" fest, as late 90s All Japan sometimes can. Kawada's biggest nearfall comes off a cross arm breaker and Kobashi wins not by busting out a Burning Hammer or something, but because Kawada is too weakened down the stretch to be able to counter the lariat, so Kobashi keeps slugging him until he stays down. And the final lariat is super emphatic. It's clear Kawada is already defeated even before it hits. The Kawada era is over, indeed it never really was. The torch is being passed to Kobashi.
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