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Post by elliott on Mar 27, 2021 15:51:43 GMT -5
Austin is someone who could lose a match or the title and not lose anything. Because of his character as the anti establishment everyman hero. That character, who the audience sees themselves in, lends itself to getting screwed over by the boss. Goldberg was more like a real life super hero.
Really he was the late 90s version of mid 80s Hogan. Only he had less experience.
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Post by Cap on Mar 27, 2021 15:53:41 GMT -5
I compare him more to Warrior, but fair
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Post by elliott on Mar 27, 2021 15:55:03 GMT -5
Sure but you hate him and can't be reasonable about him
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Post by Cap on Mar 27, 2021 15:57:31 GMT -5
"Better to dismiss a mediocre, at best, wrestler than a legend" - Dangerous K
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Post by elliott on Mar 27, 2021 15:59:13 GMT -5
Goldberg definitely left a bigger mark on Pro-Wrestling than Toshiaki Kawada. Unless we're counting most times losing in a big match
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Post by Cap on Mar 27, 2021 16:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by elliott on Mar 27, 2021 16:09:00 GMT -5
Meltzer had this to say when reviewing the infamous Nash vs Goldberg match: "There were GOldberg sux" chants early, but quickly drowned out. Then really loud "Nash sux" chants. The crowd intensity was equivalent to being the biggest match of the year. They did a UFC spot, where Goldberg was pounding from the mount and Nash caught an armbar (a really lame looking armbar, but still, from Nash, it was really cool) and Goldberg got out of that into an ankle lock. Goldberg speared Nash, but before he could do the jackhammer, Nash used a low blow. Lets see, that made 173 for this show alone. One thing this match proved is that Goldberg is far more talented than he gets credit for being. He's green for sure, because he has such limited actual ring time, and he doesn't sell, which is part of his gimmick, but he can do a lot of things and his offense looks real good."
I think something major was lost in this discussion. GOldberg debuted June 1997. By July 1998 he was one of the two biggest stars in the world during the hottest run in the history of pro-wrestling in America. Without the benefit of interesting booking. GOldberg did it all on natural charisma. You protect that guy like the golden goose that he was. It took him 16 months to become a legit legend in wrestling to where WWE could bring him back on the strength of that run 20 years later. Moving on from THAT GUY? Come on.
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Post by elliott on Mar 27, 2021 16:26:35 GMT -5
La Parka shouldve been the guy to end the streak. That much is obvious
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Post by Cap on Mar 27, 2021 16:32:07 GMT -5
I get why he is a star and I'm not saying he isn't charismatic. I said earlier... I get excited when he comes out. I also totally agree that they can bring him back based on that early run... nothing after. That is my point. He was AMAZING and nostalgia is a hell of a thing.
Maybe if I say it this way: I wish he had interesting booking so I could care about him. I'm not a booker or a storyteller; in turn, I don't have a good idea, but the highest praise I can give this match is, "I wish DDP won because he earned that emotional investment from me and I think it would make me care about Goldberg's path".
Which really means... "I loved that run and I really wish they could have made something more interesting/useful out of it, but the booking was bland and Goldberg ultimately became bland to me."
I also don't buy that he is more talented than he gets credit for. Is he more talented than I give him credit for? For sure. Generally... naw. I see lots of crazy praise for him and it doesn't resonate with me at all. He thrives in the absolute best scenarios possible. Anything even slightly less than that and he blends into the background ultimately and blames the booking.
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Post by Cap on Mar 27, 2021 16:32:29 GMT -5
La Parka shouldve been the guy to end the streak. That much is obvious Well we can agree on that.
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Post by tetsujin on Mar 27, 2021 17:12:55 GMT -5
I always thought Goldberg got that over because the alternatives in WCW were so bad that fans wanted none of that and were in the mood of buying an obviously green as fuck powerhouse only capable of doing squashes and a few more things. It definitely was what worked for the company at that time and it shouldn't have been destroyed, but I still don't think Goldberg success was because of him being a charisma prodigy, but because WCW's main event product started to suck a lot that year.
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Post by nintendologic on Mar 28, 2021 16:11:32 GMT -5
OK, I rewatched it. The opening minutes felt really disjointed. There were some interesting ideas like Goldberg trying some MMA-inspired offense, but they weren't developed enough to be fulfilling. And that one neckbreaker attempt was really ugly. Goldberg was clearly green, but he had some impressive physical tools (I loved his backflip counter to DDP's legsweep attempt) and a real superstar aura. He would have become a really great worker in a promotion that was even marginally competent. Everything from Goldberg going shoulder-first into the ringpost on was some awesome comic book splash panel wrestling. I'd find it a lot more captivating if I was really into either guy. Even so, I respect the effort. One surprising aspect of the match was how subdued the crowd was. They popped for Goldberg's power offense and the Diamond Cutter, but it seemed like a crowd that just wanted to see moves rather than an actual wrestling match. Then again, Vegas is a notoriously lousy wrestling town.
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Post by TheDutifulWebmaster on Dec 31, 2023 15:01:34 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Goldberg, and I loved his sub-1-minute matches in the 90s, which were so exhilarating to watch live, but I don't understand the appeal of this match at all.
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Post by [Darren] on Dec 31, 2023 15:21:23 GMT -5
It was dramatic as hell and a blast. The two biggest baby faces in the promotion. DDP ‘s masterpiece
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Post by puroraisedme on Jan 1, 2024 4:46:51 GMT -5
This match is so unbelievably great. I love it so much, this is one of those ones I could watch a billion times and never ever get tired of.
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