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Post by KB8 on Apr 27, 2019 8:40:57 GMT -5
I don't think it ultimately lands there, but Tamura/Yamamoto from '99 feels like it has a decent outside shot at getting the top spot.
From the beginning I would've said 6/3/94 or 6/9/95. Jumbo/Tenryu from 6/89 with a slim chance, maybe. I guess it depends on whether or not Elliot's the only one who left off most of the All Japan heavy hitters. Actually, Kobashi/Hansen. That might be the one.
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Post by Cap on Apr 27, 2019 8:50:04 GMT -5
Had to post early today because I am going to see Endgame and then meet friends for margaritas so my chances of posting later are slim and none.
I am glad Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 landed in the top 20. It being outside the top 10 or even 5 still feels like a bit of a disappointment to me.
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Post by KB8 on Apr 27, 2019 9:19:45 GMT -5
Yeah, Chicana/MS-1 below that Kobashi/Misawa match from NOAH is a travesty. TRAVESTY, I say.
So much for Tamura/Yamamoto having that outside shot at #1.
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Post by Kadaveri on Apr 27, 2019 9:40:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised now as through the reveal I've mostly been an outlier, but now it turns out 9 of my Top 11 are going to be in the Top 10. Maybe that is the point where GME candidates become near-universal. So the Top 10 is going to come from of these I assume: 1. Flair vs. Steamboat Clash VI 2. Jumbo vs. Tenryu 06/05/89 3. Hokuto vs. Kandori Dreamslam 4. Kobashi vs. Hansen 07/29/93 5. Misawa vs. Kawada 06/03/94 6. Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue 06/09/95 7. Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/06/96 8. Misawa vs. Kobashi 01/20/97 9. Bret vs. Austin WM13 10.
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Post by andylfc on Apr 27, 2019 10:16:49 GMT -5
I'm surprised now as through the reveal I've mostly been an outlier, but now it turns out 9 of my Top 11 are going to be in the Top 10. Maybe that is the point where GME candidates become near-universal. So the Top 10 is going to come from of these I assume: 1. Flair vs. Steamboat Clash VI 2. Jumbo vs. Tenryu 06/05/89 3. Hokuto vs. Kandori Dreamslam 4. Kobashi vs. Hansen 07/29/93 5. Misawa vs. Kawada 06/03/94 6. Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue 06/09/95 7. Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/06/96 8. Misawa vs. Kobashi 01/20/97 9. Bret vs. Austin WM13 10. I was hoping the rewatch might spring a surprise or two at the top of my ballot but it turned out quite predictable in the end - 1. Misawa/Kobashi v Kawada/Taue 6/95 2. Misawa/Akiyama v Kawada/Taue 12/96 3. Misawa v Kawada 6/94 4. Misawa v Kobashi 1/97 5. Jumbo v Tenryu 6/89 Looking forward to voting again and diving into more footage I didn't have the opportunity to watch.
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Post by KB8 on Apr 27, 2019 10:22:20 GMT -5
I'm surprised now as through the reveal I've mostly been an outlier, but now it turns out 9 of my Top 11 are going to be in the Top 10. Maybe that is the point where GME candidates become near-universal. So the Top 10 is going to come from of these I assume: 1. Flair vs. Steamboat Clash VI 2. Jumbo vs. Tenryu 06/05/89 3. Hokuto vs. Kandori Dreamslam 4. Kobashi vs. Hansen 07/29/93 5. Misawa vs. Kawada 06/03/94 6. Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue 06/09/95 7. Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/06/96 8. Misawa vs. Kobashi 01/20/97 9. Bret vs. Austin WM13 10. I'd guess Kobashi/Kikuchi v Can-Ams from May '92 would be the one you're missing.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 27, 2019 10:46:47 GMT -5
Funk-Flair should have finished over all of the Steamboat matches, but 3 out of 4 ain't bad
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Post by bossrock on Apr 27, 2019 10:49:53 GMT -5
I didn't vote for a ton of shoot or lucha matches, but it's very cool that we had a few finishing in the top 20.
I know some are disappointed with MS-1 vs. Chicana not making the top 10, but I think considering it's always seemed to be more of a hardcore favorite and is far less celebrated than a lot of the other contenders makes finishing in the top 15 pretty impressive. Like I said in the other thread, never a match I walked with away thinking it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen, but I totally get why a lot of folks do.
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Post by tetsujin on Apr 27, 2019 11:26:46 GMT -5
Wow, pretty sure Chicana/MS1, Yammamoto/Tamura, Misawa/Kobashi from NOAH and Bock/Hennig were going to make the top 10. There's going to be too many AJPW there (and I'm a big All Japan fan, but I wanted the top tier to be more varied). Not lucha and post-90s matches in the top 10 kinda sucks
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Post by microstatistics on Apr 27, 2019 14:10:18 GMT -5
I'd consider Chicana/MS-1 in the Top 15 a win for lucha. I never would have expected FOUR Tamura matches in the Top 30 so that was a nice surprise. Glad Mind Games and Bret/Owen WMX did so well.
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Post by kas on Apr 27, 2019 14:49:10 GMT -5
So we still have Misawa/Kawada, Kobashi/Misawa, RWTL 96 final, 6/9/1995, Tenryu/Jumbo, Hansen/Kobashi, and Can-am Vs Kobashi and Kikuchi. That's eight All Japan matches and we all know what other two are gonna be there.
EDIT: I'm dumb and can't count, that's seven
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Post by nintendologic on Apr 27, 2019 15:03:41 GMT -5
That's actually seven All Japan matches. But yeah, we all know what the other three are gonna be.
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Post by tetsujin on Apr 27, 2019 15:15:06 GMT -5
Predictions:
1. 9/6/95 2. Misawa/Kawada 3. Kobashi/Misawa 4. Hansen/Kobashi 5. Hokuto/Kandori 6. Clash VI 7. Bret/Austin WM 8. 96 RWTL Finals 9. Furnass/Kroffatt vs Kobashi/Kikuchi 10. Jumbo/Tenryu
Was WarGames 92 left behind or something?
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Post by pterois on Apr 27, 2019 15:40:14 GMT -5
War Games 92 didn't make the top hundred.
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Post by andylfc on Apr 27, 2019 17:40:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the modern AJPW recs. I look forward to checking it out. There are quite a few folks I've never seen before so that is always fun. Agreed on Queendom. It boggles the mind that it isn't rated closer to the best of the 90s AJPW. Not trying to be an asshole but this was what I thought of the match. Biggest disappointment. www.tapatalk.com/groups/wrestling_ko/what-are-you-watching-all-time-t2299-s20.html#p49420This went way too long and as a result there were plenty of dull, time killing restholds poorly disguised as submission attempts. That's a shame because these four had a pretty great 15 minute match in them. Looking at individual performances, I've never understood why joshi superfans think so highly of Nakano. Her offense in this match was dated, especially compared to her tag partner. During a heated, scrappy encounter, I'm not sure why she thought the delayed rope assisted DDT on a fresh Kandori was a good idea. Also, after Hokuto ate numerous piledrivers from Kong, Bull decided to follow up with... restholds. Speaking of Hokuto, I think at this point it's laughable if anyone thinks she's an all-time great. She certainly wasn't bad and I liked a bunch of her high angle bombs, but she didn't put much effort into selling, blew a couple spots (top rope sunset flip, rushing Kong with a feeble, poorly timed backfist/slap) and forced her far bigger opponent to sell her Edge leg lariat. Even Kandori didn't look great here. Most of her submission holds lacked excitement and I'm not sure what was up with that business exposing 'run up very long ramp with hand on Nakano's head' spot. Kandori's punch combo in the corner was at least awesome. Kong was clearly the best worker here and, at least when she wasn't applying restholds, looked top 10 in the world. She added some unpredictability to the match by almost KO-ing Kandori with a brutal, out of nowhere kick to the jaw. All of her bombs looked great and I thought she did a fantastic job selling Kandori's sleeper near the end. Kong escaping and delivering a backfist to Hokuto while still light headed was a cool moment that you tend to only see from the true greats. Three stars at best. I have to agree with everything Mike pointed out regarding the Queendom tag after rewatching the match again earlier and considering I didn't include it on my ballot. The interaction between Hokuto and Kandori is well done but I felt it was more a case of some great moments sprinkled throughout the match but still a fair amount of stodge to get through in the process. The slap exchanges involving Hokuto were great as was Kong blasting Kandori with violent kicks to the jaw but the match needed more of those moments as it lacked a lot of urgency. Bull whiffed badly on her lariats and her ground work was less than inspiring with too much in the way of dull rest-hold-y stuff. Five consecutive piledrivers blown off like nothing...any other match would be getting crucified with this happening. The middle section of the match with Kandori and Bull running up the aisle to the entrance-way did look really goofy, made no sense and provided little payoff with Bull tripping/falling(?) into the entrance and following that a dull control period of working over Hokuto. The crowd heat was nothing out of the ordinary from polite applause to things picking up for the last five minutes. The spot with Kandori dodging the legdrop of the top was awesome and Hokuto blitzing Kong with big bombs at the end looked nasty as hell. Great touch post match with Kandori and Hokuto. Overall though I thought this was hugely disappointing on rewatch given the amount of praise it has received. I doubt I will need to revisit this one for future voting.
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