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Post by bossrock on Apr 2, 2021 18:27:24 GMT -5
Watching more LCO sounds good. And Suzuki definitely has my support. Really want to delve into more Kandori as well.
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Post by witlon on Apr 2, 2021 21:35:38 GMT -5
I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm going to be championing Jay Briscoe...don't know if that's a good or bad thing yet, though. It's going to be fun, no matter.
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Post by mvz on Apr 2, 2021 21:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I think at the zoom summit we have we speculating about it being a little more casual this time around. Some of the conversation on PWO about the criteria is already pretty intense. I am hoping to be able to stump for some of my favorites when the nominees get going. The next week or two ought to be interesting.
I did like Matt D’s post about his planned approach and might follow it to the extent that I can. I have been a dip in/dip out person, but I would definitely be into the chronological world of sport watch, and French catch seems worthy as well based on what I have seen. And of course I really love a lot of the joshii I have watched. I also liked his idea of watching certain key wrestlers and then spinning off more niche discoveries from there.
Whether it is through more casual zoom summits or some other structure or method, I would be thrilled to be involved with some watch along project. My interest ebbs and flows and this would create accountability.
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Post by Cap on Apr 3, 2021 8:26:08 GMT -5
Witlon,
Awesome! I have always thought Jay Briscoe was awesome. If I remember, he did better in the last GWE than I thought he would.
mvz,
Yeah... I didn't read through everything, but on quick skim it seemed to be heating in up a bit pretty quickly. haha. I'm sure that is going to ebb and flow a good bit. I joke about how intense everyone got but in a way I am glad that some people are that invested. It gives the project a lot of energy and momentum, and hopefully will spark more content. I'm not going to personally engage at that level, but god bless those who do. I am, however, also going to stump for some of my favorites.
I'd be down for some system that promotes accountability. I think it would be helpful in pushing me to watch things that I wouldn't normally be drawn to. I really need to dive into French catch. I meant to do it for this year's gme, but I'm not sure if/when it will happen. However, I do not see myself doing my chronological watching. I think it would be ideal, but I don't see my watching patterns changing so dramatically haha. I wish I could, but I just jump around to what looks interesting and I never have consistent watching patterns.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 3, 2021 10:41:55 GMT -5
Jay Briscoe is another I need to do a deeper delve on. I've seen folks in past years talk about how great he is and how he would make their list the next go-round.
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Post by Cap on Apr 3, 2021 11:21:52 GMT -5
I don't know if he makes my list, but he has a really good chance at it.
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Post by KB8 on Apr 3, 2021 12:26:51 GMT -5
I doubt I'll do anything quite as extensive as Matt D (nor do I think I need to, really), but I do like the idea of using the GWE as an excuse to deep dive some things and try to hit blind spots. I never got the chance to hit WoS like I wanted to in 2016 and I still haven't, so I'll try to use the 2026 vote for that.
I've been working my way through tonnes of little watching projects for years, but those would probably tie into something like this better than a Greatest *Wrestler* Ever poll. Like, I want to watch and eventually write about every RINGS show ever, but doing that probably isn't going to sway me one way or the other on candidates for a GWE project. I more or less already know where I am with guys like Tamura, Han, Yamamoto, Kohsaka, Maeda, etc. At best I imagine I'd come out of that throwing a lower vote to one of the eastern European guys or talk myself into having Dick Vrij as my #100. I'd like to watch every Battlarts show ever, but I largely know where I stand on Ishikawa, Ikeda, Ono, Otsuka and the rest already. I still have the 80s Portland set to watch, but I don't need to see that for the wrestlers as opposed to the matches. I know what I need to know about the individuals already.
World of Sport is really my big GWE undertaking, because I've only seen smatterings of it and I have no real idea where I'd rank anybody on a greatest wrestler list. I suppose the French Catch stuff would be another one because I could probably count the number of matches I've watched from that footage on one hand.
Actually, maybe joshi is another one. I did a bit of a re-dive into joshi before the deadline in 2016 and that pushed Kandori and Yoshida onto my list. For a while after that I felt like I'd seen all the joshi I needed to see, but then late last year I went back and rewatched a bunch of 90s stuff and overall I probably enjoyed it more from a stylistic standpoint than ever before. I've seen enough 90s joshi that I absolutely don't consider it a blind spot. It's not like WoS where I've never had an opinion of the prominent wrestlers because I haven't seen enough. Or like Puerto Rico before I watched the 80s set. But I guess part of me thinks those opinions on joshi could do with a refresh, at least to some extent. I already know Kandori and Yoshida will be higher this time than 2016, and so will Hokuto (if I even voted for her last time) and maybe Aja as well. Some of the women who were nowhere near my list in 2016 might have a shot this time (yes elliot I'll watch more Bull Nakano). I'll go deeper into 80s joshi this time as well, and maybe some 00s and even modern joshi if all goes well.
So yeah, I guess WoS, French Catch and joshi in a very broad sense are what I'll spend time on for 2026. If my tastes shift quite drastically over the next five years then maybe modern New Japan as well, even just because I know some of those guys will do very well with lots of 2026 voters, but I don't really have a ton of free time anymore and I don't want to spend it watching stuff I generally don't like. It's supposed to be fun at the end of the day and watching shit that bores me for the sake of being "objective" or whatever feels too much like work and fuck that, basically.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 3, 2021 14:02:58 GMT -5
These are the folks who aren't locks for my list (mostly I just need to do deeper dives) but are in consideration:
Alexander Otsuka Andre the Giant Arn Anderson Atsushi Onita Billy Robinson Bobby Eaton Buddy Rose Chigusa Nagayo CIMA Devil Masami Fit Finlay Greg Valentine Giant Baba Io Shirai Jay Briscoe Keiji Mutoh LA Park Masaaki Mochizuki Matt Jackson Naoki Sano Nick Bockwinkel Nick Jackson Owen Hart Perro Aguayo Pirata Morgan Rick Martel Ricky Morton Ronnie Garvin Sergeant Slaughter Shingo Takagi Shinobu Kandori Stan Lane Tully Blanchard Ultimo Dragon Volk Han Yumiko Hotta Zack Sabre Jr.
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Post by elliott on Apr 3, 2021 14:24:26 GMT -5
1. Terry Funk 2. Dump Matsumoto 3. Akira Hokuto 4-99. I'll figure it out later 100. Jerry Sags
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Post by elliott on Apr 3, 2021 22:05:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I think at the zoom summit we have we speculating about it being a little more casual this time around. Some of the conversation on PWO about the criteria is already pretty intense. I am hoping to be able to stump for some of my favorites when the nominees get going. The next week or two ought to be interesting. I did like Matt D’s post about his planned approach and might follow it to the extent that I can. I have been a dip in/dip out person, but I would definitely be into the chronological world of sport watch, and French catch seems worthy as well based on what I have seen. And of course I really love a lot of the joshii I have watched. I also liked his idea of watching certain key wrestlers and then spinning off more niche discoveries from there. Whether it is through more casual zoom summits or some other structure or method, I would be thrilled to be involved with some watch along project. My interest ebbs and flows and this would create accountability. I'm hoping everyone gets that out of their system now before the project starts and once Grimmas drops the announcement pods, hopefully we can just focus on the wrestlers. My personal goal is to help keep things amicable because I had a really great experience in 2016. This forum was born in part out of the 2016 project and so I hope everyone here participates in the 2026 GWE project and hopefully we can drum it interest to our yearly matches project as well.
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Post by makaiclub on Apr 4, 2021 15:35:50 GMT -5
I currently have a top 100 laid out. I'm confident in my top 50, it's just a matter of ordering them. The rest need more in-depth considerations plus a few omissions.
Tier One (no order): Genichiro Tenryu Kenta Kobashi Mitsuharu Misawa Ric Flair Shinya Hashimoto Stan Hansen Toshiaki Kawada
Tier Two: Akira Maeda Akira Taue Bret Hart Brock Lesnar Daniel Bryan Hiroshi Tanahashi Jumbo Tsuruta Jun Akiyama Kazuchika Okada Kiyoshi Tamura Nick Bockwinkel Rey Mysterio Ricky Steamboat Riki Choshu Steve Austin Tatsumi Fujinami Terry Funk
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Post by Cap on Apr 5, 2021 7:29:11 GMT -5
I really need to make a draft of like a top 150 to have something to work off of. I have never done the full 100
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Post by witlon on Apr 5, 2021 8:22:39 GMT -5
I did a runthrough in the last week or so and had 67 near locks, and 61 'maybes'. I can't think of more than 2 (Chris Benoit, for reasons & AJ Styles, probably need a refresh to make sure he still fits) that would fall out of the lock list, but I guess there's always the possibility?
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Post by mjp7798 on Apr 5, 2021 13:18:05 GMT -5
I have a list of roughly 60ish workers who are all but locks to make my ballot. Where they all fall is still TBD and way tougher than I imagined. Only top 4 are pretty much set in stone followed by a list of probably another 80 or so who I'd genuinely consider putting on the ballot
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Post by elliott on Apr 5, 2021 13:52:40 GMT -5
I really need to make a draft of like a top 150 to have something to work off of. I have never done the full 100 The original nominee index is a great resource forums.prowrestlingonly.com/topic/28644-index-of-nominees-with-links-alphabetical-order/There are definitely wrestlers out there that should have been nominated and aren't on the list. But the vast majority of viable candidates can be found there. I would recommend this process for making rough drafts: 1. Using the nominee index and any names you might add, create a giant list of wrestlers that includes all of your locks (must rates), people to watch more of, people you might rate, and people you've heard are highly rated but you haven't explored yet. Do not include anyone you're familiar with but know you wouldn't vote for. 2. Separate your giant list into those categories. Make a list entirely of your locks. Make a list entirely of your "probables." These are folks you're familiar with and could see yourself voting for them but also would feel ok not voting for them. Make a list entirely of your "need to watch more" wrestlers. 3. Rank each specific list. 4. Combine the lists of people you're familiar with and keep the need to watch more list separate. You can use the people you need to watch more list as an outline or guide for who you need to focus on watching. I don't need to watch and focus on the Terry FUnk, Stan Hansen, Akira Hokuto, Jerry Lawler types for a project like this right away. They're my clear GOATs already and I know are safely on the list. For the purposes of just cutting down a list to a reasonable number, those folks are safe. Its someone like Ron Garvin or Great Sasuke that isn't a slam dunk lock to make the list that I need to think more about. Making a top 100 is daunting because its a big list of names. But once you start cutting that down and organizing, it gets a lot easier to put together. I have something like 80 locks that I'd be lying to myself if I made a top 100 and left them off. That makes it a lot easier not only come up with a top 100 I'm relatively happy with, but I can also easily identify what the missing pieces are and where to focus my attention. One last thing, nobody should expect to turn in a top 100 they're totally happy with. Just like with these matches projects, you'll be changing things around until the very last second and regret not moving someone somewhere the moment you turn it in. You're not the only person doing it. Everyone else is too.
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