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Post by KB8 on Apr 7, 2021 8:20:14 GMT -5
I can't really think of anyone I'll be the obvious high voter on. Like, not too many people will have Takeshi Ono around their top 30, but there'll probably be a handful of hardcore Battlarts fans who like him at least as much as me and I wouldn't be shocked if someone had him higher. I don't think there'll be a major Hector Guerrero following so maybe him, even if he'll be in the bottom 30. Or Herodes, maybe.
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Post by nintendologic on Apr 7, 2021 10:05:24 GMT -5
I don't plan on submitting a ballot, but if I did, I'd likely be the high vote on Vader. I'm enough of a fan that if someone had him at #1, I wouldn't argue against it.
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Post by marksman on Apr 7, 2021 11:42:04 GMT -5
Masami could also creep into my top 10. She is top 15 for me now. I may be the high vote on Chingusa Nagayo. I think I will be one of the higher votes on many women, but outside of Kandori I don't suspect I will be THE high vote. I know Elliott will have lots of them high and Grimmas is - I think - only voting for women. I'm not really likely to vote at the moment unless I watch a LOT more classic stuff and feel more confident in my rankings, but if I had to put a list together right now there's a fair chance I'd have Aja Kong and Bull Nakano 1 and 2 (although not sure which way around.) Just watching random matches from either of them, in addition to the pimped stuff which I'm still working my way through, has been an absolute revelation for me.
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Post by elliott on Apr 7, 2021 11:52:41 GMT -5
That's awesome!
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Post by Kadaveri on Apr 7, 2021 12:33:54 GMT -5
I'm not really likely to vote at the moment unless I watch a LOT more classic stuff and feel more confident in my rankings, but if I had to put a list together right now there's a fair chance I'd have Aja Kong and Bull Nakano 1 and 2 (although not sure which way around.) Just watching random matches from either of them, in addition to the pimped stuff which I'm still working my way through, has been an absolute revelation for me.
It's up to you of course, but I really encourage you to vote. I'd say anyone active on this forum is watching enough to submit a respectable list. Don't think of your ballot as needing to be some definitive 'true' answer, that doesn't exist; it's really just a snapshot of where we all are now in our fandom. We should never be totally confident in our rankings anyway, there's always more to discover.
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Post by tetsujin on Apr 7, 2021 12:43:31 GMT -5
This topic is now giving me hopes on more joshi for 2026 GWE. Revenge for 2016 haha
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Post by Kadaveri on Apr 7, 2021 13:07:49 GMT -5
I think more Joshi ranking is virtually guaranteed at this point. 2016 was the worst possible year for it. It was 20 years after Joshi was last in vogue in Western fandom, and right before Stardom started getting big and women's wrestling got seriously pushed in WWE (which has boosted interest in women's wrestling in general). There's a funny comment in Sasha Banks' thread saying "well if this leads to women main-eventing WWE PPVs then she can be considered" with no idea how just around the corner that reality was.
Like seriously, a Top 100 Wrestlers Ever list with not even 1 of Jaguar Yokota, Devil Masami, Chigusa Nagayo, Shinobu Kandori, Meiko Satomura... That dated badly quick.
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Post by Cap on Apr 7, 2021 13:09:36 GMT -5
I would second Kadavari's sentiment about voting. I think we should all have thresholds of comfort for submitting, but I think if you are questioning weather you should you probably have the right mindset for it and are more than qualified.
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Post by marksman on Apr 7, 2021 13:57:18 GMT -5
I'm not really likely to vote at the moment unless I watch a LOT more classic stuff and feel more confident in my rankings, but if I had to put a list together right now there's a fair chance I'd have Aja Kong and Bull Nakano 1 and 2 (although not sure which way around.) Just watching random matches from either of them, in addition to the pimped stuff which I'm still working my way through, has been an absolute revelation for me.
It's up to you of course, but I really encourage you to vote. I'd say anyone active on this forum is watching enough to submit a respectable list. Don't think of your ballot as needing to be some definitive 'true' answer, that doesn't exist; it's really just a snapshot of where we all are now in our fandom. We should never be totally confident in our rankings anyway, there's always more to discover.
I'll think about it. My problem atm is I've never lasted more than a few minutes of a lucha match or male puro match without getting bored, and my US knowledge is limited to 90s when I was originally a fan and some recent stuff plus a little of the in between years. So any ballot I currently put in is going to be mostly WWF/WCW from the 90s, a few each from joshi and WOS (and even in WOS, everyone except Jim Breaks is kinda piled together in a 'good but not Jim damn Breaks' pile' in my mind, and maybe some current stars. Having said that, I can imagine some people's heads exploding if I sent in a ballot with Orange Cassidy top 5, so it's kinda tempting... Realistically, though, will try and check out some of the big name lucha/puro stuff and give it another chance, and hopefully build on my sketchy watching of the territories, before deciding whether to submit.
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Post by microstatistics on Apr 7, 2021 14:05:55 GMT -5
Greatest WRestler is way easier than Greatest Match. So is this the reason GWE seems so much more popular than GME? I saw the thread over at PWO and there is a lot of intense and detailed discussion already, for a project that is nearly 5 years away. Ranking wrestlers seems to excite people way more than ranking matches. The opposite is true for me. Don't get me wrong, I'll participate in the GWE discussion and submit a ballot when the time comes but the contrast was interesting (and a little disappointing).
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Post by elliott on Apr 7, 2021 14:13:59 GMT -5
It's up to you of course, but I really encourage you to vote. I'd say anyone active on this forum is watching enough to submit a respectable list. Don't think of your ballot as needing to be some definitive 'true' answer, that doesn't exist; it's really just a snapshot of where we all are now in our fandom. We should never be totally confident in our rankings anyway, there's always more to discover.
I'll think about it. My problem atm is I've never lasted more than a few minutes of a lucha match or male puro match without getting bored, and my US knowledge is limited to 90s when I was originally a fan and some recent stuff plus a little of the in between years. So any ballot I currently put in is going to be mostly WWF/WCW from the 90s, a few each from joshi and WOS (and even in WOS, everyone except Jim Breaks is kinda piled together in a 'good but not Jim damn Breaks' pile' in my mind, and maybe some current stars. Having said that, I can imagine some people's heads exploding if I sent in a ballot with Orange Cassidy top 5, so it's kinda tempting... Realistically, though, will try and check out some of the big name lucha/puro stuff and give it another chance, and hopefully build on my sketchy watching of the territories, before deciding whether to submit. Don't worry about this. If you want to participate, people will make it as easy as possible to identify lucha or puro you might be interested in. If you like it, great. If you still can't watch it, I think its ok. Not everyone is going to like everything. Nobody should feel like they can't participate if they aren't fans of something. Just make a good faith effort. Watching wrestling isn't anyone's job. No one can watch it all and no one can like it all I for one can't finish an Okada vs Tanahashi match for the life of me. I've tried multiple times and just have no interest in modern NJPW. Even something like modern lucha....I definitely like lucha, but watching lucha from the past decade is way down my list of priorities. There are lots of great wrestlers out there!
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Post by KB8 on Apr 7, 2021 16:40:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I was going to say everyone will have holes in their list. I'm not sure it's possible to watch *everything*, and I'm even less sure it's possible to *like* everything, at least enough to justify doing a real and extensive deep dive into it.
Like elliot, I seriously doubt I'll bother watching much of any modern New Japan for this, despite the fact that period of wrestling will have covered almost fifteen years by the time the 2026 vote rolls around (I'm using 2011-2012 as the cut-off when I talk about modern New Japan, just because that feels like the point where it really started to blow up as the number 1 place for Great Wrestling). If you don't like something and it feels like a chore to sit through it, don't try and turn something that should ultimately be fun into something that is very much not fun at all.
Your JerryVonKramers of the world will be most vocal in pulling the "educate people" card and balk at folk who don't watch enough Crockett or 80s All Japan, yet they're no less entitled to not vote for any luchadores because they watched a handful of lucha and decided they don't like the style. Nobody should NEED to vote for anything.
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Post by elliott on Apr 7, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -5
To me its just about making good faith efforts. If you aren't familiar with WoS and see everyone raving about Jim Breaks. You should probably watch a couple of Breaks matches. If you like it and him keep watching him and other folks who stand out. If you don't like it, move onto something else. I didn't know I wasn't a KENTA fan until I watched some KENTA. What I'm not going to do is spend time shitting on people who think KENTA is awesome. I'm gonna be over in a different thread putting over Takako Inoue or Ricky Morton. There's plenty to talk about without resorting to hating for hating sake.
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Post by bossrock on Apr 7, 2021 17:10:33 GMT -5
I personally think ranking matches is easier than wrestlers. Matches are a singular. When it comes to wrestlers, it's their entire career that has to be evaluated. Peak compared to longevity, versatility versus being the best in one particular field, etc.
I have a top 20 I'm pretty confident in and I could probably put together a top 40 with some time. But beyond that and determining the difference between who I have at 87 and who I have at 65, quite a bit tougher.
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Post by tetsujin on Apr 7, 2021 17:11:15 GMT -5
My GWE Q1 list right now would look something like this. It's actually the first time I try to put a top 25 or whatever together, but it might be interesting to see where am I now and come back to it five years later and see what happened. So here it is:
1. Kenta Kobashi 2. Bryan Danielson 3. Jushin Thunder Liger 4. Nick Bockwinkel 5. Hijo del Santo 6. Chris Benoit 7. Stan Hansen 8. Mitsuharu Misawa 9. Aja Kong 10. Hiroshi Tanahashi
11. Shawn Michaels 12. Ric Flair 13. Kurt Angle 14. Tatsumi Fujinami 15. Terry Funk 16. Negro Casas 17. AJ Styles 18. Eddie Guerrero 19. Buddy Rose 20. Toshiaki Kawada
21. Jerry Lawler 22. Jun Akiyama 23. Rey Mysterio 24. Akira Taue 25. Kiyoshi Tamura
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