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Post by tetsujin on Feb 19, 2023 15:36:23 GMT -5
The match is probably a lot better in 2013ish before Brock if they model it after the CM Punk match before Brock is doing the suplex city bullshit 100000% agree. I really like the match but it's nowhere near as good as it could have been with pre-Streak Lesnar. That's why the Punk match stands out as an all timer while the other "Brock vs top indie names" matches are "just" great. Except the Joe match. Because Joe is a genious.
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Post by tetsujin on Feb 19, 2023 19:45:56 GMT -5
Ok, these are the matches that I voted for last time that (sadly) won't make it this time. I expect to drop even more as time goes on, though.
#100 - Giant Baba vs The Destroyer (JWA - 5/03/1969): this was my original honourable mention and I still have a lot of praise ad respect for it, but I'm gonna give this year's distinction to another match.
#99: Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa (AJPW - 31/10/1998): this would be unnaceptable for my younger self, but I don't want this match on my list anymore. It is still absolutely great, but there are at least three other matches between them that show why this is the best in ring rivalry of all time in a deeper, more original way than this one.
#97: Arn Anderson/Tully Blanchard vs Barry Windham/Lex Luger (NWA - 27/03/1988): Unfortunately, this one is just too simple to compete against the true top 100 contenders. Being a great match is one thing, and being an excellent one is other. Still fun as fuck, though.
#95: Nick Bockwinkel vs Wahoo McDaniel (AWA - 28/03/1983): Maybe the same can be said here. I adore Bock and this is one of his finest performances but it's just way too minimalist.
#93: Christopher Daniels vs Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles (Triple Threat Match - TNA - 11/09/2005): This one really dropped for me. It still really great, but definitely flawed too.
#92: Steve Austin vs Bret Hart (Submission Match - WWE - 23/03/1997): Shocking, yeah. I'm in peace with this match now. I understand it is one of the greatest, most important matches ever made, and it's one I 100% love and enjoy, but I just can't overlook the lack of pyschollogy when setting up some key spots.
#87: Mitsuharu Misawa/Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue (AJPW - 6/12/1996): This one was dropping a couple of spots each time I gave a look at the list, and I'm not sure why. I know it's excellent, but it... kinda overstays its welcome a bit.
#77: El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas (Mask vs Hair Match - WWA - 18/07/1987): I always prefered this to the 1991 and 1997 matches, until very recently. This is more on the "really great" than the "trully extraordinary" territory now, and it's a shame because I wanted more than just one match from this two on my list, but it is what it is. Too much obvious cooperation going on.
#76: Roddy Piper vs Greg Valentine (Dog Collar Match - JCP - 24/11/1983): This might be the one that pains me the most... But last time I watched it, I couldn't help but think that they were becoming a bit repetitive and not going anywhere a couple of times. Historic match, but not elite.
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Post by nintendologic on Feb 19, 2023 19:57:19 GMT -5
#92: Steve Austin vs Bret Hart (Submission Match - WWE - 23/03/1997): Shocking, yeah. I'm in peace with this match now. I understand it is one of the greatest, most important matches ever made, and it's one I 100% love and enjoy, but I just can't overlook the lack of pyschollogy when setting up some key spots. Could you elaborate on this, if you don't mind my asking? This is probably the one match I've watched more than any other and I've never noticed any glaring holes in the psychology.
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Post by microstatistics on Feb 19, 2023 22:32:05 GMT -5
I have to agree with the assessment that Bryan vs. Lesnar was merely decent. It was the ultimate dream match from the longest time with, like Darren mentioned, the two best wrestlers in the company finally squaring off. But it was just a rudimentary greatest hits collection composed of two parts, the initial beatdown and fiery comeback. Well-executed but nothing memorable.
To me the best post-2015 Lesnar match is the Finn Balor one from Royal Rumble 2019 in large part due to its uniqueness.
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Post by microstatistics on Feb 19, 2023 22:50:08 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the Terry Funk birthday deadline (6/30) is still on, correct?
Also, is anyone else becoming more and more stingy with their star ratings/grades? I'm rewatching all my desert island matches (around 250 or so) and at the rate I'm going, 60-70% of matches in my Top 100 are going to be rated ****1/4. The rate was 10% in 2020. I guess each rewatch adds a layer of stringent refinement and so, circling back to the point made in the first few posts of this thread, this year's list will likely best reflect what I value in matches.
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Post by elliott on Feb 19, 2023 23:42:25 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the Terry Funk birthday deadline (6/30) is still on, correct? Also, is anyone else becoming more and more stingy with their star ratings/grades? I'm rewatching all my desert island matches (around 250 or so) and at the rate I'm going, 60-70% of matches in my Top 100 are going to be rated ****1/4. The rate was 10% in 2020. I guess each rewatch adds a layer of stringent refinement and so, circling back to the point made in the first few posts of this thread, this year's list will likely best reflect what I value in matches. I have 262 matches rated 5 stars and counting
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Post by KB8 on Feb 20, 2023 10:34:59 GMT -5
Oh wait, we're submitting summer lists this time? I better get my shit together then!
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Post by [Darren] on Feb 20, 2023 14:25:26 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the Terry Funk birthday deadline (6/30) is still on, correct? Also, is anyone else becoming more and more stingy with their star ratings/grades? I'm rewatching all my desert island matches (around 250 or so) and at the rate I'm going, 60-70% of matches in my Top 100 are going to be rated ****1/4. The rate was 10% in 2020. I guess each rewatch adds a layer of stringent refinement and so, circling back to the point made in the first few posts of this thread, this year's list will likely best reflect what I value in matches. I have 262 matches rated 5 stars and counting I don’t ever stick to a rating system. I try. I’m fascinated by folks lists though. Whether they decide to have 5 matches or 262 matches. Question. Do you keep track of every match you watch ? Because I’ll keep a list of things I’d potentially consider 4+ but I don’t know what the difference between a 2.75 and 3.25 is and I’d be bored trying to think about that.
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Post by [Darren] on Feb 20, 2023 14:26:11 GMT -5
Also I forgot we were doing it in the summer. I need to step it up.
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Post by club on Feb 20, 2023 14:28:11 GMT -5
Ok, these are the matches that I voted for last time that (sadly) won't make it this time . . #97: Arn Anderson/Tully Blanchard vs Barry Windham/Lex Luger (NWA - 27/03/1988): Unfortunately, this one is just too simple to compete against the true top 100 contenders. Being a great match is one thing, and being an excellent one is other. Still fun as fuck, though. #95: Nick Bockwinkel vs Wahoo McDaniel (AWA - 28/03/1983): Maybe the same can be said here. I adore Bock and this is one of his finest performances but it's just way too minimalist. That's interesting. I'm kinda the opposite in that I'm very high on meat and potatoes stuff done brilliantly at the moment - Wild Bull Curry vs Johnny Valentine, Atsushi Onita & Tarzan Goto vs Dragonmaster & Masanobu Kurisu, Caribbean Sunshine Boys... that sort of thing.
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Post by club on Feb 20, 2023 14:31:02 GMT -5
I have 262 matches rated 5 stars and counting I don’t ever stick to a rating system. I try. I’m fascinated by folks lists though. Whether they decide to have 5 matches or 262 matches. Question. Do you keep track of every match you watch ? Because I’ll keep a list of things I’d potentially consider 4+ but I don’t know what the difference between a 2.75 and 3.25 is and I’d be bored trying to think about that. For this project I tried to rank every match I rated better than Hogan vs Warrior. A fools errand.
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Post by [Darren] on Feb 20, 2023 14:40:45 GMT -5
I do actually like the idea of picking a match as a baseline. Like this is the one, if it’s better than this it’s worth keeping track of.
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Post by silverwidow on Feb 20, 2023 15:23:33 GMT -5
I don't "assign" a rating to a match that's worse than 3 stars. It's not worth the time.
General way I look at ratings:
***** - GOAT contender. Mine is in the single digits. ****3/4 - All-time classic ****1/2 - Classic ****1/4 - Really great **** - Great ***1/2 or ***3/4 - Very Good *** or ***1/4 - Good, solid matches
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Post by Cap on Feb 20, 2023 16:33:06 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the Terry Funk birthday deadline (6/30) is still on, correct? Also, is anyone else becoming more and more stingy with their star ratings/grades? I'm rewatching all my desert island matches (around 250 or so) and at the rate I'm going, 60-70% of matches in my Top 100 are going to be rated ****1/4. The rate was 10% in 2020. I guess each rewatch adds a layer of stringent refinement and so, circling back to the point made in the first few posts of this thread, this year's list will likely best reflect what I value in matches. I have 262 matches rated 5 stars and counting Awesome. I thought I had a lot. I am not nearly as stingy with my stars as a lot of people. I probably never will be.
I feel like I've gone over my ratings system a thousand times. I'm a generous rater. I have just over 100 5* matches. , around 200 something 4.75* and who the fuck knows how many 4-4.5* matches. I don't know any other way to live.
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Post by KB8 on Feb 20, 2023 17:11:18 GMT -5
I haven't assigned a star rating to a match in like 14 years but I kind of want to whip up a spreadsheet or something now and rate every match I watch going forward.
I had one going back in the day but it got blown up with my laptop of the time.
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