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Post by elliott on Dec 18, 2017 21:30:37 GMT -5
Ric Flair vs Ricky Morton (Cage Match - JCP - 7/5/1986)
One of my absolute favorite Flair matches ever and a strong contender to make my list. Probably a lock. The Flair vs Morton feud was fucking awesome and it brought out the most vicious side of Flair. Morton standing up to Flair and refusing to backdown is awesome and proof enough that Morton would have been a star as a singles wrestler. This is just a brutal match built around both guys trying to break each others nose. Also has the coolest entrance in history as Flair lands in a freaking helicopter. Yeah. This is the shit.
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Post by Cap on Jan 3, 2018 17:28:15 GMT -5
Second
I feel like this one has been talked to death as people made cases for both these men in GWE, but the long and short of it is that it is awesome. Nose work!? So good. This one has such urgency and emotion to it. Morton is one of the best and most sympathetic sellers ever. I really wanna watch this match again as part of this and think carefully about where it should land on my list.
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Post by philschneider on Jan 4, 2018 12:05:18 GMT -5
We have this as our 1986 match of the year over at SC. segundacaida.blogspot.com/2017/08/all-time-moty-list-head-to-head-1986.htmlI think there is a strong argument that this is Flair best all time match, and Flair won the Greatest Wrestler Ever award, his best match ever seems like a no brainer selection for a project like this. Awesome Morton performance and I loved the idea of a feud built around who fucks more girls, being worked around uglying up your opponent.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Jan 4, 2018 20:31:08 GMT -5
Gun to my head right now, this is my pick for the Greatest Match of All Time. There is a lot to revisit, but this is my pick as of today.
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Post by microstatistics on May 2, 2018 1:39:14 GMT -5
I think this is clearly Flair's 2nd best match ever behind Chi-Town 89. Just a wonderfully violent, heated clash with a terrific story and an excellent finish. Lock for my list.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Jul 22, 2018 17:53:00 GMT -5
Still my pick for the Greatest Match Ever
NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair vs Ricky Morton - GAB 7/11/86
I watched the build for this match and WOW! Does it take this to the next level! Ric Flair came off as the most psychotic bully of all time. Having to wrestle bigger men for most of his career, Flair got a few chance to push someone else around and my God did he milk this chance for everything it is worth. Seeing Flair in this role is something you actually want to see more because it is when he is at his most heelish. There is nothing likeable about a man who goes out of his way to disfigure a man just because he can. It reminds me of Beiber first came out and there was just this violent reaction against him by the "macho" man community especially in the heavy metal community. I could not wrap around my head around this irrational hatred for a teen idol. There is an inherent dislike some men have for pretty boys that can command attention of women especially young women. In every promo, Flair channels that psychotic hatred for Ricky Morton. He went out of his way to disrespect Morton it seemed out of insecurity and because he felt like he could. You really get the sense that he think if he can show up Morton he can prove to all these young girls what a real man is and in turn make them real women, which Flair cites as loving him. Morton stands up for himself on Worldwide and slaps the Champion and the tries to tear his clothes off. They go on to have an absolute barnburner of a TV match on 4/12/86, which is nonstop action. The ref gets bumps and Gibson comes in to count three for Morton to end the show as Flair escapes with his title, but his pride has been significantly wounded. Then on an episode of Worldwide, he snaps when Morton actually pins him by ref's count in a tag match. You can see Flair's world crashing around him. How did this little punk that is not even a real man just beat me? He lashes out in a terrible fashion and executes what at the same time seemed like hot air in that promo a couple weeks ago that he would disfigure Morton's face rendering him ugly for his adoring fans. The Horsemen barge into RnR locker room and Flair rubs Morton face in the concrete floor and you see blood streaking across the floor. I think this is the greatest angle I have ever seen. Morton comes back for a promo wrapped in bandages explaining you can take my face, but that is not where the source of my power comes from, it comes from his heart and his fans and he is coming for the Nature Boy and he is going to take the title.
Ric Flair does lend some key insight into why this feud happened in a seemingly throw away line when he said "Ricky Morton is the most popular wrestler on Earth." If you listen to Ric Flair's podcast, he LOVED wrestling babyfaces that were over. Once he saw how over Morton got against the Russians, you know he pushed hard for this singles feud.
Without watching the build, this is a ***** classic and now having watched the build can you say GOAT match candidate because I sure can! Ricky Morton is wrestling in a protective mask as Flair enters the stadium via helicopter. He is psyching out his opponent right up until the bell. The entire beginning of the match is Morton working awesome payback spots against Ric Flair huge honker of a nose. Morton stalks Flair at the beginning measuring him for the immense pain he is about to administer to this bully. Morton punches, wrenches and rakes Flair's nose. This is Flair in his element screaming in pain as Morton unleashing sweet revenge on his banana nose. Morton rubs Flair's face in the mat, it may not be concrete, but it will have to do. Flair looks unsure of himself. He needs to find a way to slow down the pace because Morton is a runaway freight train of anger. So he goes to Flair 101, draw into the corner, knee to the midsection and chops stymie Morton. Morton goes back to the face and Flair is pissed! He is making mistakes because he is frustrated. Morton headbutt Flair with the mask! Flair rips the mask away in anger. Morton punches him in the face and gets his mask, which was a nice little tease for the heat segment. Flair finally throws him off of a headlock into the cage, which is enough rattle him. NOW WE GO TO SCHOOL! It is just a tease again as Morton gets a cross body. Flair and Morton start tearing in each other hitting each other whereever they can and Flair rips the mask off, hurls him into the cage and the pretty face of Morton is a crimson mask. Let beating begin!
Flair dons the mask to mock Morton as he tortures him. He throws Morton into the cage and twists the nose. He then throws the mask over the cage. There will be no refuge for Morton. Big WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Morton is selling his nose and face so well. He is in pain, but the sympathetic kind and you really want to leap out there and help him against this maniac. "You want some of this!" He throws Morton hard into the cage. "Tell em your name" as he rakes Morton's face in the cage. I wish he added "Because they wont be able to recognize you." Pelvis thrust for the ladies. That is what this feud is all about. Flair's deeply-rooted notion in what a real man is and what a real woman should want out of a man. Ricky Morton stands as an defiant affront to the ideology, which defines who the Nature Boy is. Flair starts going for pinfalls, but the teeny bopper idol wont stay down. Flair freaks out and calls Tommy Young, a son of a bitch. Figure-4 and now Tommy Young is pleading with Morton to just quit and fight another day. Morton inside cradle! He is firing back and he sends Flair into the cage. There is a terrific squeal of joy from all the girls in attendance.
Flair begs off as any bully does when you punch him in the mouth. Morton rakes Flair's head into the cage and Flair is bleeding. Morton is punching and clawing at his face. Morton sleeper! Flair makes it to the ropes. Top rope crossbody for two! Rock N Roll! Rock N Roll! Rock N Roll! Go Ricky Go! Flair tries to escape the cage, this ain't the WWF, pal! Morton missile dropkick, he pinned Flair with this on TV albeit Gibson counted the pinfall. Flair presses Morton on the kick out on Tommy Young. Flair is able to drive Morton's manhood into the ropes to win with his feet on the ropes.
In a feud that was centered around what a real man is and how that relates to what women find attractive, I cant think of a better ending then a fucking ballshot by the man posturing as a tough, macho man, but is really a vindictive, arrogant and small man. They both focused on the face with laser precision. There was only one way to end this and that was an attack on the anatomical representation of manhood. It worked on two levels it exposed Flair as the total opposite of what a real man is by stooping so low to win the match and also to psychically assault Morton's manhood after disfiguring his face. I think I just convinced myself this is the greatest pro wrestling match of all time. *****
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Post by superstarsleeze on Apr 25, 2019 13:21:41 GMT -5
Since some people are interested in watching this match. To get full context, here is what should be watched:
High priority is
1. Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 4/12/86) 2. Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (Incomplete) (Pro 5/17/86) 3. Grinding Morton's face into the concrete...I dont know what episode it is on. I think it is on Worldwide.
Here is a full list of what should be seen:
Ric Flair + Ricky Morton (Worldwide 4/12/86)
Arn Anderson & Ric Flair Interview (Worldwide 4/12/86)
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 4/12/86)
Ric Flair Interviews (x2) (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 4/19/86)
Ron Garvin Interview / Ricky Morton + Ric Flair (Worldwide 4/26/86)
Four Horsemen Interview (4/26/86)
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (Clipped) (Handheld 4/86)
Ric Flair Interview (Worlwide 5/3/86)
Interviews: Ric Flair Interview; Arn Anderson (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 5/3/86)
Ric Flair vs. Tony Zane / Arn Anderson & Ric Flair Interview ( World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night5/3/86)
Interviews: JJ Dillon; Ric Flair (Worlwide 5/10/86)
Ric Flair Interview ( World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 5/10/86)
Ric Flair Interview (Pro 5/17/86)
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton (Incomplete) (Pro 5/17/86)
Interviews: Ric Flair; Tully Blanchard; Arn Anderson; Ric Flair (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 5/17/86)
Interviews: Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard; Ric Flair (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 5/24/86)
Rock N Roll Express + Four Horsemen Recap (Pro 5/31/86)
Ric Flair Interview (Pro 5/31/86)
Interviews: Ric Flair; Arn Anderson; Rock N Roll Express; Ric Flair (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 5/31/86)
Four Horsemen Interview (WorldWide 6/7/86)
Interviews: Arn & Tully; Ric Flair (x2) (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 6/7/86)
Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair / Arn Anderson Interview / Four Horsemen Interview (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night6/7/86)
Interviews: Ric Flair; Tully Blanchard (Pro 6/14/86)
Ric Flair Interview (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 6/14/86)
Ric Flair vs. Robert Gibson (WPW 6/16/86)
Interviews: Ric Flair; Tully Blanchard (Worldwide 6/21/86)
Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard & Ric Flair vs. Italian Stallion, Rocky Kernodle & Todd Champion (Worldwide 6/21/86)
Four Horsemen Interview (6/21/86)
Four Horsemen Interview (Worldwide 6/28/86)
Ric Flair Interview (World Championship Wrestling,Saturday Night 6/28/86)
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Post by microstatistics on Apr 25, 2019 15:32:56 GMT -5
I think this is clearly Flair's 2nd best match ever behind Chi-Town 89. Just a wonderfully violent, heated clash with a terrific story and an excellent finish. Lock for my list. Disappointed this didn't make the Top 100 but I'm glad more people are checking it out.
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Post by nintendologic on Apr 25, 2019 16:03:59 GMT -5
You do not need to see three months of matches and promos to understand a Ric Flair match. Come on now.
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Post by elliott on Apr 25, 2019 16:17:17 GMT -5
While I agree with NL, it is still one of the best rivalries of the 80s and all of the stuff leading up to and including the match fucking rocks so definitely watch all of it!
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Post by Kadaveri on Apr 25, 2019 16:21:49 GMT -5
We all watch way more wrestling than is really needed here... I'm all for the deep dives.
Thanks Sleeze. I've added that to my (ever-expanding) list of wrestling to watch.
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Post by KB8 on Apr 25, 2019 16:33:16 GMT -5
Yeah, as someone who is sort of whatever on Flair at this point and would still have voted that match high/higher than any other Flair match, while you obviously don’t need to see everything there to “get” it, it sure is a whole bunch of great stuff that enhances the match itself.
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Post by superstarsleeze on Apr 25, 2019 19:21:18 GMT -5
I watched the match in a vacuum originally and immediately thought it was *****. It is violent and intense. The dueling nose psychology is brutal and sadistic. The selling from both men is out of this world good. It features Ric Flair as a bully so it is immediately unique. I will say watching the match alone, in my opinion, this is an easy Top 50 match. It is with all the buildup and context that the match becomes the Greatest of All Time. I think this is the best finish in the history of wrestling in context of what the feud was about. I devoted an entire blog to it. Here's the most excerpt from the blog that was not published my review above.
"What follows is the story of how an assault on what one man's ideology of "what a 'real man' should be" leads him to become a psychotic, manically violent bully that disfigures the face of a local hero.
In the mind of Ric Flair, the character, in his own words he has "monopolized the female population" and he has done it through being Ric Flair. In one of the greatest quotes of all time, he states "I'm high on just being Ric Flair." Ric Flair's identity and sexual prowess are inextricably linked and are an infinite positive feedback loop. He gets all the women because he is Ric Flair. He is Ric Flair because he gets all the women. It just feeds into each other with every conquest in and outside the ring. Now for a man to come onto Ric Flair's show and not act in line with Nature Boy's concept of "a real man", but still be able to enjoy the shrieks of girls' affection, this is an assault on Ric Flair's very identity. I have learned that when you attack a core tenet of someone's identity you trigger "fight or flight" mechanism that is deeply rooted in human nature. In my mind, this is the greatest pro wrestling story and match ever. "
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Post by Cap on Apr 26, 2019 15:00:38 GMT -5
I had sort of completely forgot that I had seen this. I rewatched after the submission. This probably should have been on my list. It is pretty increadible in every way. I don't really have much to add to Sleeze's discussion.
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Post by Cap on Oct 28, 2019 20:28:16 GMT -5
From my watching project... Ric Flair vs Ricky Morton (Cage Match - NWA World Title – 7/5/1986) Current Rank: 79 Trending: Even So this is a match that I seconded when we first started the project, knew in the back of my mind, understood was great, and the completely forgot about as I got more serious about putting my list together. I was subsequently somewhat surprised to see it get a #1 vote, not because I didn’t think it deserved it, but because it – for whatever reason – had fallen off my radar. So, when someone I respect like Superstarsleeze gave it the top spot I put on my “rewatch immediately” list. It didn’t disappoint at all. In some ways it might be the best version of two of the greatest wrestlers to ever grace the ring. I don’t have it as the best Flair match, but this version of Flair is maybe the most satisfying and it is probably what he does best. He is a phenomenal bully. He is self-conscious, secretly afraid, and far too eager to enjoy his success once he gets the upper hand. His top work is so methodical and brutal and he never stops jawing to Morton and to the audience. That is the perfect foil for Ricky Morton, who is the epitome of southern underdog babyface. He has more heart than muscle, but enough of both to get the job done. Here he gets to literally sell his damn face off as Flair tires to beat his nose off him. In many ways, I completely buy this as perfect wrestling theater. Its two men fighting over who is the “real man”. One of em walked out already beat up with a face mask on looking like he just got done having some beers, shootin, pool, and pumpin quarters in the jukebox at the local watering hole and the other came in on a god damned helicopter. For me, it’s a stone-cold lock for the list, but it probably tops out around here. It almost feels like there is something left on the table and I can’t put my finger on it. I can’t explain what more I want from this, but there is something. Full Post: gweproject.freeforums.net/thread/657/caps-watching-project-reports?page=2#ixzz63hbFjcAj
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