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Post by superstarsleeze on Feb 1, 2019 20:19:25 GMT -5
This will also be helpful for me to earmark stuff to watch that I am not familiar with (Lucha, Joshi, WOS, ROH)
Off the top of my head and I need to rewatch a ton of All Japan among other things. Lets give this a whirl.
Chorological Order:
Terry & Dory Funk vs Stan Hansen & Terry Gordy - AJPW 8/31/83 Sgt. Slaughter vs Iron Sheik - WWF, MSG 6/16/84 Bootcamp Match Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Super Tiger - UWF 12/5/84 NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair vs Ricky Morton - GAB 7/11/86 Steel Cage Match AWA World Heavyweight Champion Nick Bockwinkel vs Curt Hennig - AWA 11/21/86 NWA World Heayvweight Champion Ric Flair vs Lex Luger - Starrcade 1988 Bret Hart vs Owen Hart - WrestleMania X AJPW Triple Crown Champion Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa - AJPW 1/20/97 Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama - AJPW 2/27/00 GHC Heavyweight Champion Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi - NOAH 3/1/03 I am going to replace Hart vs Hart with Bret Hart vs Steve Austin from Wrestlemania XIII...I'm surprised I put Hart vs Hart here as I've always thought Hart vs Austin is better & more important. Taking off Slaughter vs Sheik for Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Nobuhiko Takada from 10/25/90. Probably the best new match I've watched this year. A thrilling combat between two of the greats that uses the scoring system perfectly. This is about to get obliterated...I'm going to rewatch classic Flair & All Japan 90s. All these matches could be gone!
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Post by peachchaos on Feb 15, 2019 13:20:36 GMT -5
Current Fave Five? Maybe?
Sangre Chicana vs. MS-1 - Hair vs. Hair 9/23/83 Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton - Steel Cage Match - NWA World Heavyweight Championship 7/11/86 War Games 7/4/87 Kobashi & Kikuchi vs. Can-Am Express - All Asia Tag Team Championship 5/25/92 Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin - Submission Match 3/23/97
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Post by Cap on Jun 25, 2020 11:41:51 GMT -5
I did a whole podcast on that match with Stacey, but I could probably explain it a little more because 9 is a big number, especially when you consider what I'm ranking it above. I'm finding this project both easier and more difficult than GWE at the same time and for the same reason. There are so many fucking matches. We could easily do Top 100 Title Matches, Top 100 Brawls, Top 100 American Matches, Top 100 Lucha Matches, Top 100 Japanese Matches, Top 100 Tag Matches, Top 100 80s Matches, Top 100 90s Matches, Top 100 00s matches etc etc etc and I'd still think the 100th match on every fucking list was a great match. For GWE, I had a shit ton of candidates, but I still felt comfortable having my number 100 spot be a totally personal pick I couldn't really justify (Mad Dog Vachon). I really can't do that with this project. There are too many 1000s of candidates. So what I've been thinking about are the qualities that make matches go from "merely" great or MOTYC to MOTD or top 50 All Time Candidate. With literally 1000s of legit candidates for a top 100, a match can't just be great, it has to stand out and be memorable, otherwise it would just be swamped with the other candidates. I don't mean memorable in the sense that it is a famous match due to historical importance or because it drew the largest crowd. I mean a memorable in a way that makes it stand out in the sea of great matches. I've written a lot about my love of brawls, but another thing I love in pro wrestling is matches between two contrasting wrestlers. I recognize the appeal of two wrestlers of similar size, skill and style (think Flair/Steamboat, Misawa/Kawada, Santo/Casas) wrestling to see who is truly the better man. But I've always been drawn to Big vs Little, Rookie vs Vet, Fighter vs Wrestler. So the very idea of a match like Otsuka vs Matsunaga is going to appeal to me (Shooty BattlArts Guy vs Death Match Killer). Especially so since of all of the BattlArts wrestlers, Otsuka has always been my favorite and is the sort of guy who would be an interesting match up for any opponent. Even with Otsuka's quirky style that would want to see against anyone, I can't imagine two more different types of wrestlers matching up in 1999 (ever?) than these two. Just the idea of this match is bizarre because of the stylistic differences, but they manage to far exceed the highest possible expectations going in. The story is pretty simple: Otsuka the human wrestling machine uses all of the moves he can think of (so brutal suplexes and shoot style submissions and insane dives) to try and at least slow down Matsunaga's onslaught of attempted homicide by stabbing in the face. Since the whole existence of extreme death match wrestlers like Matsunaga is built upon the idea that these guys feel no pain, Otsuka can't use mere wrestling moves to stop Matsunaga. So Otsuka has to get in on the attempted homicides as well. The idea of a match worked like this outrageous and some real "best case scenario" fantasy booking type shit. The fact that they pulled it off as well as they did, and in actual real life is all the more extraordinary. (If someone told me Alexander Otsuka was actually a CGI experiment, I'd be like yeah, that makes sense to me). We're so lucky this exists and #9 might be too low. 1) Do we have a link to this? I want it in my life
2) Do a direct nomination for this. It isn't nominated. Just copy and past this to a thread haha.
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Post by Cap on Jun 25, 2020 11:45:23 GMT -5
A couple months away from the 2020 ballot and despite quite a few changes on my list, I think my top 10 is the same. I haven't had time to sit down and do the elite rewatches, but I am hoping to over the next couple months.
1. Shinobu Kandori vs Akira Hokuto (4/2/1993) 2. Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 (Hair vs Hair – 9/23/1983) 3. Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa (Triple Crown Title – 1/20/1997) 4. Holy Demon Army vs Kenta Kobashi/Mitsuharu Misawa (Tag League Final – 6/9/1995) 5. Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi (7/29/1993) 6. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat (2/3 Falls – NWA Title – 4/2/1989) 7. Stan Hansen vs Andre The Giant (9/23/1981) 8. Eddie Guerrero vs John Bradshaw Layfield (WWE Title – 5/16/2004) 9. Kiyoshi Tamura vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (6/27/1998) 10. Shinobu Kandori/Akira Hokuto vs Bull Nakano/Aja Kong (3/27/1994)
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Post by elliott on Jun 27, 2020 13:04:34 GMT -5
I did a whole podcast on that match with Stacey, but I could probably explain it a little more because 9 is a big number, especially when you consider what I'm ranking it above. I'm finding this project both easier and more difficult than GWE at the same time and for the same reason. There are so many fucking matches. We could easily do Top 100 Title Matches, Top 100 Brawls, Top 100 American Matches, Top 100 Lucha Matches, Top 100 Japanese Matches, Top 100 Tag Matches, Top 100 80s Matches, Top 100 90s Matches, Top 100 00s matches etc etc etc and I'd still think the 100th match on every fucking list was a great match. For GWE, I had a shit ton of candidates, but I still felt comfortable having my number 100 spot be a totally personal pick I couldn't really justify (Mad Dog Vachon). I really can't do that with this project. There are too many 1000s of candidates. So what I've been thinking about are the qualities that make matches go from "merely" great or MOTYC to MOTD or top 50 All Time Candidate. With literally 1000s of legit candidates for a top 100, a match can't just be great, it has to stand out and be memorable, otherwise it would just be swamped with the other candidates. I don't mean memorable in the sense that it is a famous match due to historical importance or because it drew the largest crowd. I mean a memorable in a way that makes it stand out in the sea of great matches. I've written a lot about my love of brawls, but another thing I love in pro wrestling is matches between two contrasting wrestlers. I recognize the appeal of two wrestlers of similar size, skill and style (think Flair/Steamboat, Misawa/Kawada, Santo/Casas) wrestling to see who is truly the better man. But I've always been drawn to Big vs Little, Rookie vs Vet, Fighter vs Wrestler. So the very idea of a match like Otsuka vs Matsunaga is going to appeal to me (Shooty BattlArts Guy vs Death Match Killer). Especially so since of all of the BattlArts wrestlers, Otsuka has always been my favorite and is the sort of guy who would be an interesting match up for any opponent. Even with Otsuka's quirky style that would want to see against anyone, I can't imagine two more different types of wrestlers matching up in 1999 (ever?) than these two. Just the idea of this match is bizarre because of the stylistic differences, but they manage to far exceed the highest possible expectations going in. The story is pretty simple: Otsuka the human wrestling machine uses all of the moves he can think of (so brutal suplexes and shoot style submissions and insane dives) to try and at least slow down Matsunaga's onslaught of attempted homicide by stabbing in the face. Since the whole existence of extreme death match wrestlers like Matsunaga is built upon the idea that these guys feel no pain, Otsuka can't use mere wrestling moves to stop Matsunaga. So Otsuka has to get in on the attempted homicides as well. The idea of a match worked like this outrageous and some real "best case scenario" fantasy booking type shit. The fact that they pulled it off as well as they did, and in actual real life is all the more extraordinary. (If someone told me Alexander Otsuka was actually a CGI experiment, I'd be like yeah, that makes sense to me). We're so lucky this exists and #9 might be too low. 1) Do we have a link to this? I want it in my life
2) Do a direct nomination for this. It isn't nominated. Just copy and past this to a thread haha.
I nominated it in my first run of nominations. Its in the 1999 category. It used to be online. Paging Jetlag, King of YouTube.
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Post by bossrock on Jun 27, 2020 14:15:38 GMT -5
Otsuka-Matsunaga is another one I can't find for the life of me.
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Post by elliott on Jun 27, 2020 14:57:08 GMT -5
It was definitely online as recently as the last 4 years. Stacey and I only did stuff available online for our pod.
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Post by Cap on Jun 28, 2020 8:55:06 GMT -5
1) Do we have a link to this? I want it in my life
2) Do a direct nomination for this. It isn't nominated. Just copy and past this to a thread haha.
I nominated it in my first run of nominations. Its in the 1999 category. It used to be online. Paging Jetlag, King of YouTube. Ahhh... i see the nomination now. Missed it the first time I looked.
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Post by elliott on Jun 28, 2020 9:48:36 GMT -5
There full names were too long which can screw up the search. Lolol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 8:02:38 GMT -5
In no particular order
Kawada & Taue v Kobashi & Misawa 6/9/95 Jumbo & Tenryu v Yatsu & Choshu 1/28/86 Bull Nakano & Aja Kong vs Akira Hokuto & Shinobu Kandori 3/27/94 Hokuto vs. Kandori 4/2/93 Misawa v Kawada 6/3/94 Bockwinkel v Hennig 11/21/86 Han v Tamura 1/22/97 Casas v El Hijo Del Santo 9/19/97 Villano 3 v Atlantis 3/17/00 MS1 v Sangre Chicana 9/23/83
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Post by elliott on Jul 14, 2020 13:17:56 GMT -5
Good top 10 right there
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Post by Cap on Jul 17, 2020 15:09:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that is a top 10 that speaks to my soul.
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Post by andylfc on Jul 19, 2020 16:12:03 GMT -5
Otsuka-Matsunaga is another one I can't find for the life of me. Yeah can't find it anywhere.. Thought it might have been on the Ditch archive but no joy.
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Post by Cap on Aug 4, 2020 15:53:56 GMT -5
A couple months away from the 2020 ballot and despite quite a few changes on my list, I think my top 10 is the same. I haven't had time to sit down and do the elite rewatches, but I am hoping to over the next couple months. 1. Shinobu Kandori vs Akira Hokuto (4/2/1993) 2. Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 (Hair vs Hair – 9/23/1983) 3. Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa (Triple Crown Title – 1/20/1997) 4. Holy Demon Army vs Kenta Kobashi/Mitsuharu Misawa (Tag League Final – 6/9/1995) 5. Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi (7/29/1993) 6. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat (2/3 Falls – NWA Title – 4/2/1989) 7. Stan Hansen vs Andre The Giant (9/23/1981) 8. Eddie Guerrero vs John Bradshaw Layfield (WWE Title – 5/16/2004) 9. Kiyoshi Tamura vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (6/27/1998) 10. Shinobu Kandori/Akira Hokuto vs Bull Nakano/Aja Kong (3/27/1994) Hoping to do a weekend binge through my top 10 next weekend before the semester begins, so I can see if this is really where they belong. 6/9/1995 down a bit and moved Tamura/Kohsaka up recently already.
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Post by kas on Oct 22, 2021 11:08:30 GMT -5
Top 10 as of now is 1. Okada vs Tanahashi 04/07/2013 2. Okada vs Omega 06/09/2018 3. Hokuto vs Kandori 04/02/1993 4. Misawa/Kobashi vs Kawada/Taue 06/09/1995 5. Shingo vs Mochizuki 11/01/2015 6. Hart vs Austin 03/23/1997 7. Kobashi vs Misawa 01/20/1997 8. Shibata vs Okada 04/09/2017 9. Toyoda vs Kudo 05/05/1996 10. Misawa/Akiyama vs Kawada/Taue 12/06/1996
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