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Post by Cap on Aug 30, 2020 12:12:23 GMT -5
While we wait to hear back from a couple of people to clarify issues on their ballot, I thought I would start a discussion about what got left off your list. Honorable mentions, matches you LOVE and want to consider but just aren't top 100, matches that fell off, favorites (vs best)... Anything worth noting?
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Post by tetsujin on Aug 30, 2020 13:22:58 GMT -5
With the inclusion of Tamura/Yammamoto from 1998, the match that felt just outside my custom top 100 was the Tanahashi/Ibushi G1 28 Finals, and that made me a bit sad. I don't even think that's their best match (Power Struggle 2017), but it's one of my favourites ever because of the amazing, amazing, amazing Tanahashi's comeback to the top of the mountain, thanks to his Ace spirit, pride and fire. I remember being very pissed of because Naito was the one who needed to win the G1 to repair WK 12 and sadly he was eliminated by ZSJ the former night, but man, Tana becoming a main eventer one last time was the best consolation trophy ever.
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Post by Cap on Aug 30, 2020 13:44:16 GMT -5
That is on my list to watch. I am sort of going back and watching matches that just missed and matches I didn't get to rewatch to solidify my list moving forward. I LOVED that match and want to see how it holds up after a little time.
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Post by microstatistics on Aug 30, 2020 14:32:29 GMT -5
My rough 101-125:
El Hijo del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (EMLL, 4/10/1988)
Masakatsu Funaki vs. Tatsuo Nakano (UWF, 7/24/1989)
El Satanico/Atlantis vs. MS-1/Tierra, Viento y Fuego (EMLL, 9/22/1989)
Atsushi Onita/Tarzan Goto vs. Kendo Nagasaki/Masanobu Kurisu (FMW, 4/1/1990)
Kenta Kobashi/Toshiaki Kawada/Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Jumbo Tsuruta/Akira Taue/Masanobu Fuchi (AJPW, 10/19/1990)
Steiner Brothers vs. Nasty Boys (WCW, 10/27/1990)
Minoru Suzuki vs. Naoki Sano (PWFG, 7/26/1991)
Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (WWF, 8/29/1992)
Hiroshi Hase vs. Masahiro Chono (NJPW, 8/6/1993)
Black Tiger II/Great Sasuke vs. Wild Pegasus/Shinjiro Ohtani (NJPW, 10/18/1994)
Eddy Guerrero/Steiner Brothers vs. Cactus Jack/Dean Malenko/2 Cold Scorpio (ECW, 8/5/1995)
Volk Han vs. Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (RINGS, 7/16/1996)
Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Volk Han (RINGS, 9/25/1996)
Yuki Ishikawa/Alexander Otsuka vs. Daisuke Ikeda/Takeshi Ono (BattlARTS, 10/30/1996)
Mayumi Ozaki vs. Megumi Kudo (FMW, 4/18/1997)
Kenta Kobashi/Jun Akiyama vs. Mitsuharu Misawa/Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW, 3/6/1999)
Steve Austin vs. Triple H (WWF, 2/25/2001)
Cactus Jack vs. Randy Orton (WWE, 4/18/2004)
Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama (NOAH, 4/25/2004)
Kenta Kobashi vs. Samoa Joe (ROH, 10/1/2005)
Necro Butcher vs. Super Dragon (PWG, 9/2/2006)
Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho (WWE, 7/20/2008)
Daisuke Ikeda/Takeshi Ono vs. Manbu Suruga/Takahiro Oba (Futen, 4/9/2009)
Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena (WWE, 4/29/2012)
The Revival vs. #DIY (WWE, 11/19/2016)
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Post by kas on Aug 30, 2020 15:13:39 GMT -5
Cactus Jack vs Paul Orndorff is 101 and Duggan vs Dibiase is 102 and I'm very sad to have omitted both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 22:43:55 GMT -5
I left off a tonne of stuff because I just smashed a list together and submitted it, Rude v Steamboat and Funk v Race being two of the biggest omissions. Also a couple of top-tier shoot style matches.
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Post by jetlag on Aug 31, 2020 0:31:22 GMT -5
I wanted to carefully make a list, re-watching all kinds of stuff, but I was busy so I just ended up making a list within 45 minutes. I started with #1 and #100 and then filled in the blanks. I forgot some matches but I think I'm happy with the result.
By the way, apparently I had a duplicate in my list but you guys didn't message me what exactly it is.
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Post by microstatistics on Aug 31, 2020 1:57:47 GMT -5
I wanted to carefully make a list, re-watching all kinds of stuff, but I was busy so I just ended up making a list within 45 minutes. I started with #1 and #100 and then filled in the blanks. I forgot some matches but I think I'm happy with the result. By the way, apparently I had a duplicate in my list but you guys didn't message me what exactly it is.Ikeda vs. Otsuka 11/5/1997 was at #5 and #27
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Post by jetlag on Aug 31, 2020 3:29:31 GMT -5
Oh, that was def. a mistake. Can you just ignore it or can I replace that entry? If the later is possible, I'd say replace it with Hokuto/Kandori 4/2/1993, I think I forgot that match. (in the #5 spot)
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Post by bossrock on Aug 31, 2020 6:41:36 GMT -5
Oh, that was def. a mistake. Can you just ignore it or can I replace that entry? If the later is possible, I'd say replace it with Hokuto/Kandori 4/2/1993, I think I forgot that match. (in the #5 spot) Done. Hokuto-Kandori is #5.
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Post by Cap on Aug 31, 2020 7:04:24 GMT -5
Thanks for getting this sorted. Not sure why my original message didn't go through. Regardless, sorted... and sorted with the greatest match ever getting another top 5 vote.
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Post by Cap on Aug 31, 2020 7:58:36 GMT -5
My last three cuts were a mess. I made a couple final hour additions while doing my final push of rewatches. On top of that, I literally moved stuff around while I was inputting the matches. I wound up nearly accidentally excluding Kobashi/Misawa (NOAH) and Bryan/Cena. In the shuffle at the end I wound up having to cut:
Gargano/Almas Duggan/DiBiase Sant/VilanoIV/Blanco/Solitario
The last one hurt a lot especially.
I wound up feeling really good about the top 2/3rds of my list, but the back third and especially that last 10 felt like sort of chaos to me when push came to shove. I mentioned this in the star rating thread, but I have roughly 100 5 star matches so it sort of aligns with the list. In turn, I have started taking another look at "low end" 5 star matches and and "high end" 4.75 star matches to try to sort out the back part of my list a little better to build off of. I think that is where my list feels less thought out.
Also, some matches I hate excluding, even though they sit outside by some relatively distance.
Kandori/Kudo (street fight) - One of my favorites and something I want to put on the list, but in my heart it is a 4.75 star affair.
HHH/Bryan - This one has a good chance of getting back on the list through my above-mentioned rewatching. It is absolutely elite to me but I always feel like I am being a little generous because it gets the live bump and the bump from me being a bryan mark.
Brock/Eddie - picture perfect. If Goldberg wasn't involved and Eddie beat brock clean this could be a top 5 contender I think. I always wanna be more generous with the finish, but it always takes me out of it just a touch.
Eddie/Rey (halloween havoc) - Love it... its near perfect for what it is. I always come away think it is just half a notch from elite.
Anyway... yeah. it is tough to tell how much shuffling I will do in the back part of my list. I didn't want to be making last minute decisions, but I couldn't help it. Hopefully next year I'll be a little more sure of myself there.
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Post by bossrock on Aug 31, 2020 17:53:20 GMT -5
Liger-Sasuke (BOSJ) Gargano-Almas (Takeover: New York) Satanico-Morgan ('93) Hashimoto-Choshu ('96) Misawa/Kobashi-Taue/Jumbo ('90) Ikeda/Oba-Mashimo/Hashi Misawa-Kawada ('92)
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Post by nintendologic on Oct 26, 2020 15:02:41 GMT -5
When I submitted my ballot, I was satisfied with all my selections and had no matches I was upset I couldn't make room for. Over the past few months, however, I've had one of my trademark changes of heart. If I were submitting a ballot today, I'd drop:
Masa Saito/Riki Choshu/Super Strong Machine/Kuniaki Kobayashi/Hiro Saito vs. Tatsumi Fujinami/Yoshiaki Fujiwara/Kengo Kimura/Shiro Koshinaka/Keiichi Yamada (NJPW, 9/12/88) Aja Kong vs. Yumiko Hotta (AJW, 1/24/94) Bret Hart vs. Diesel (WWF, 11/19/95) Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima (ROH, 8/25/07) Dick Togo vs. Antonio Honda (DDT, 1/30/11)
And replace them with:
Hart Foundation vs. Killer Bees (WWF, 2/17/86) Ricky Steamboat/Shane Douglas vs. Barry Windham/Brian Pillman (WCW, 12/28/92) Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi/Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue/Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW, 6/3/93) Vader vs. Dustin Rhodes (WCW, 11/16/94) Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams/Johnny Ace (AJPW, 12/10/94)
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Post by elliott on Oct 26, 2020 16:56:27 GMT -5
I've been thinking about HBK vs Taker Hell in a Cell recently and regret not voting for it.
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