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Post by Cap on Sept 29, 2020 13:07:18 GMT -5
It is funny. I sort of agree. The main exception to me is Omega/Okada 4. I totally get that it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but is a 60+ minute match that somehow to me feels justified being that long. I think if I watched it in a vaccuum without watching the other three I would probably not be super high on it. That is why it will likely always be in the back half of my list; it just doesn't translate to that in-a-vaccuum greatness like the real elites do. That said, I find it masterful even though on paper it should annoy me to no end.
I definitely wish Okada mixed it up a bit. He does in the G1, but to Kadaveri's point. a few sub 30 title matches that switch up the formula a bit more would help set some of his work apart in aways that jive with my tastes at least.
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Post by kas on Sept 29, 2020 13:36:19 GMT -5
Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because modern New Japan is pretty much why I'm a fan of wrestling, but all New Japan matches have held up in my eyes. Okada going 30+ is a problem when he's in there with guys like EVIL or SANADA, but against guys like Suzuki, Shibata, Omega, Tanahashi, Naito etc. I generally don't have a problem with.
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Post by Kadaveri on Sept 29, 2020 13:59:44 GMT -5
I really did not like that Suzuki match where he had Okada in a kneebar for like 20 minutes. That shit totally did not need to go on that long, it just made Suzuki's submission work look totally ineffective. The 30 minute draw in the G1 was great though.
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Post by kas on Sept 29, 2020 14:07:26 GMT -5
I think Okada blowing of the leg work in the last 5 minutes is egregious, but watching it live I genuinely thought Okada was going to tap/Gedo would throw in the towel
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Post by tetsujin on Sept 29, 2020 14:51:41 GMT -5
That leghold section was great for a first watch, but it totally loses its appeal if you wanna rewatch the match. I'm not really a fan of the Okada-MiSu dynamic, not even at the G1 draw.
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Post by Cap on Sept 29, 2020 14:57:16 GMT -5
I have honestly never watched one of their matches more than once, but I do like them on first go.
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Post by bossrock on Sept 29, 2020 18:57:26 GMT -5
We now have conclusive, definitive proof that the bullrope match is the best Hansen-Colon match.
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Post by elliott on Sept 29, 2020 19:16:00 GMT -5
Cage match
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Post by bossrock on Sept 29, 2020 20:04:00 GMT -5
The numbers don't lie.
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Post by Cap on Sept 29, 2020 20:11:49 GMT -5
Bossrock has a point. Can't argue with math.
(I'll probably be arguing with a lot of math later)
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Post by elliott on Sept 29, 2020 20:48:13 GMT -5
Fuzzy math
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Post by elliott on Sept 29, 2020 21:25:49 GMT -5
Hanging chads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 23:16:46 GMT -5
*Hansen nodding in approval upon hearing that the bullrope match finished above the cage match*
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Post by Cap on Sept 30, 2020 7:29:00 GMT -5
I believe uncledave
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Post by kas on Sept 30, 2020 7:29:07 GMT -5
OK, I just realized Hansen/Kobashi finished in the top 10 last year so that must mean MS-1 vs Sangre Chicana cracked the top 10. That's awesome.
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